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Theodoric
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Message 496 of 953 (859908)
08-04-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2019 1:32 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
It was not a bare link and I was providing information that was specifically asked for.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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ringo
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Message 497 of 953 (859909)
08-04-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Hyroglyphx writes:
... because Trump is legitimately an asshole, every slur is reserved especially for him.
It would be rather odd if a self-absorbed asshole wasn't a racist.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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Chiroptera
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Message 498 of 953 (859916)
08-04-2019 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
My question is why your woke mind immediately drew a connection to rat-infested hellhole with black people?
My woke mind drew the connection when I saw that Elijah Cummings is black and that he represents a black majority district. Context matters.
I drew the connection when he told four members of Congress who were members of minority groups to go back to where they came from, was told that this was seen as racist, and then turned around and repeated essentially the same thing to another person of color.
Not only does context matter, but, to repeat, when someone is called out for being racist and does nothing to try to understand why it would be seen as racist and then continues to engage in the behaviors that are seen as racist, that make him a racist.
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Because to me he's saying....
I know what he's saying. He's telling Cummings to shut up, and he deliberately chose offensive, insulting, and provocative language to do it. That's what he was saying to Ocasio-Cortez, Pressley, Tlaib, and Omar: he was telling them to shut up and he deliberately chose an offensive way to say it.
He doesn't have to tell people to shut up. He doesn't have to tell people to go back to places. He doesn't have to insult people. He does and says things that don't need to be done or said. He creates his own problems for himself. And if it is so important to him that he continues to be an ass hole, then he deserves the scorn that he's earned. And if it is so important to him that he continues to be an ass hole even though it makes him look like a racist, then that makes him a racist.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Misspelled a name.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 499 of 953 (859922)
08-04-2019 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Chiroptera
08-04-2019 3:48 PM


New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
Does it matter to anyone that Trump also referred to New Hampshire, which is 94% white, as a drug infested den?"
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 500 of 953 (859928)
08-04-2019 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 499 by Faith
08-04-2019 4:04 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
Yes. Being racist doesn't mean you can never attack whites, only that you do so very rarely. There he was just being a lying asshole. New Hampshire and many other areas have drug problems, but not the entire state.

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Faith 
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Message 501 of 953 (859936)
08-04-2019 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by JonF
08-04-2019 4:28 PM


Re: Baltimore also "infested" according to Elijah Cummigs
And the fact that Elijah Cummings himself referred to that Baltimore district as "drug-infested" also means nothing. Nor the fact that the black mayor of Baltimore was appalled at the smell of the rats there. One way or another you'll make Trump into something he's not just because that's what you want him to be.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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xongsmith
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Message 502 of 953 (859937)
08-04-2019 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 501 by Faith
08-04-2019 4:57 PM


Re: Baltimore also "infested" according to Elijah Cummigs
yeah - just get rid of the fucking Trump family absentee landlord shit.

"I'd rather be an American than a Trump Supporter."
- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Faith 
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Message 503 of 953 (859939)
08-04-2019 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 502 by xongsmith
08-04-2019 5:05 PM


Billions of dollars and no results
Well that's just another of those unsubstantiated accusations trying to hold Trump responsible when he's not. The government of the city is responsible for the conditions in that district and they've received billions of dollars in aid to fix it, so where did those billions go? Obviously not to fixing the problem.

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DrJones*
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Message 504 of 953 (859941)
08-04-2019 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Faith
08-04-2019 5:09 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
The government of the city is responsible for the conditions in that district and they've received billions of dollars in aid to fix it, so where did those billions go?
then why is trump criticizing Cummings, he's not part of the government of the city.

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Faith 
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Message 505 of 953 (859942)
08-04-2019 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 504 by DrJones*
08-04-2019 5:22 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
He represents the people of Baltimore and therefore has responsibility for what happens there. But when he made the statement about its being "drug infested" back in 1999 he WAS part of the government there and his comments were in the context of asking for government aid.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 506 of 953 (859943)
08-04-2019 5:33 PM
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08-04-2019 5:27 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
He represents the people of Baltimore and therefore has responsibility for what happens there.
Cummings is not part of the municipal government, he's not even part of the state government. That's like saying trump is responsible for the conditions there because he represents the people of baltimore as the president of the united states.

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Faith 
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Message 507 of 953 (859944)
08-04-2019 5:36 PM
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08-04-2019 5:33 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
He was at least part of the state government because he was asking for federal aid for this very problem back in 1999. Trump identified him as responsible for the conditions of Baltimore NOW and nobody has argued against that.

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DrJones*
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Message 508 of 953 (859945)
08-04-2019 5:42 PM
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08-04-2019 5:36 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
Trump identified him as responsible for the conditions of Baltimore NOW and nobody has argued against that.
and is trump is currently president he is also responsible.

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JonF
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Message 509 of 953 (859948)
08-04-2019 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Faith
08-04-2019 5:09 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
The billions of dollars went where they were allocated (by the Feds), and not much of them were allocated to fixing the problem areas. (On average, Cummings' district is quite well off) .
quote:
The federal website that tracks spending USAspending.gov says individuals, agencies and other institutions in Baltimore have received roughly $8 billion over the past two years. But the vast majority has not gone to City Hall to distribute, according to the website, which is the federal government clearinghouse for spending data.
For example, at least $3 billion has gone to the Johns Hopkins University, Johns Hopkins Medical Services Corp. and the University of Maryland for research, medical care and other programs. More than $600 million pays for vouchers and other rental and public housing subsidies, money that mostly winds up in the hands of landlords to help pay rent for low-income city residents.
A billion of the money represents payments by the Social Security Administration to retirees and disabled people, while nearly half a billion goes to Baltimore City Public Schools as Title I support to provide extra services for students from poor families. About $200 million goes to nonprofit agencies that help people with HIV or AIDS. Another $100 million has gone to college students through the federal Pell Grant program to help pay tuition.
According to Baltimore’s official budget reports, the city government itself has received $380 million in federal assistance over the last two fiscal years for operating and capital expenses. The money represents federal grants sprinkled across 75 services with the biggest amounts paying for HIV treatment services for people without health insurance, permanent housing for the homeless and reducing tobacco use by pregnant women.
That total includes $40 million the federal government awarded as Community Development Block Grants, flexible funding that allows local governments to deliver housing renovations, economic development and recreational facilities to low-income neighborhoods. It’s a program Trump wants to eliminate.
Baltimore does not receive the ‘billions’ Trump says city government wastes, steals — Baltimore Sun
Note the last sentence Seems the Republican solution to every problem is to defund or eliminate the people that address it.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 510 of 953 (859957)
08-04-2019 6:14 PM
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08-04-2019 5:42 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
If Trump is responsible then he is exercising his responsibility by calling the immediately responsible politicians to do their duty.

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