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Faith 
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Message 996 of 2370 (859955)
08-04-2019 6:09 PM
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08-04-2019 6:07 PM


Re: You continuing to repeat nonsense is just repeating nonsense Faith.
Gosh a whole bunch of the usual personal attacks. Oh well. Having a different paradigm always means "not understanding science," of course, cuz science is defined by the establishment paradigm.
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Message 997 of 2370 (859956)
08-04-2019 6:10 PM
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08-04-2019 4:12 PM


Re: once again now: the strata would originally NOT have been where the diagram has them
I'm going to draw my own sequence of events as I see them forming the current geological situation as we see it on that UK diagram, and hope to figure out how to scan them in and post them later.

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Message 1000 of 2370 (859963)
08-04-2019 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 999 by JonF
08-04-2019 6:45 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Correction: Nobody HERE agrees with me, OR No OE/ToE believer agrees with me.

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Faith 
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Message 1002 of 2370 (859967)
08-04-2019 7:38 PM
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08-04-2019 7:37 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
If you have a stack of thirty silver dollars and you put a dime on top of it -- or even three or four dimes -- are you continuing the same stack of coins?
And if you have a stack of thirty silver dollars on the table and you put a stack of three silver dollars on the floor are you continuing the same stack of coins?
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Faith 
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Message 1005 of 2370 (859973)
08-04-2019 9:41 PM
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08-04-2019 9:15 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Ah well I HAVE explained it. Over and over. Really I have. Sigh.
Let me ask this: If the whole world including the sea floor is the geological column how is it that the strata we find on the continents, from Precambrian to Holocene, are not also found on the sea floor? Hm?
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Faith 
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Message 1007 of 2370 (859978)
08-04-2019 10:03 PM
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08-04-2019 9:55 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Ibuprofen and don't pop your blisters.

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Message 1025 of 2370 (860030)
08-05-2019 10:26 AM
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08-05-2019 10:03 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Perhaps my view is unique to me then. I *have* said, after all, that I study these things for myself and come to my own conclusions. In many cases I find out that my conclusions agree with other YECs on a point, but sometimes I don't. Dredge and I don't agree on much, but then he's not a YEC.
I don't think what I've said is silly and in most cases I would just repeat it, and of course there's no point in that. Perhaps we should move on. After you've got all your objections said of course.
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Message 1028 of 2370 (860034)
08-05-2019 10:33 AM
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08-05-2019 10:28 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
That definition of the Geological Column is, in my opinion, invented for the purpose of getting around the obvious fact that it's over and done with and that supports the Flood. You have to incorporate all kinds of phenomena that are so utterly different from the Geological Column as we know it and as it is presented all over the internet and on Google image, that even you all should have to see the ...I'm trying to avoid an insulting word but no good alternative is coming to me. Duplicity, self-deception, etc.
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Faith 
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Message 1030 of 2370 (860036)
08-05-2019 10:36 AM
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08-05-2019 10:34 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Right, that's certainly a handy definition.
And yes, there's no point in my repeating my definition of the geo column.

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Message 1036 of 2370 (860046)
08-05-2019 10:53 AM
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08-05-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
Problem is the silver dollar analogy doesn't reflect the reality that on the ocean floor the accumulating sediments have nothing to do with the geological column as we know it, say, in the Grand Canyon/Grand Staircase area.
This notion of sea floor being raised onto continents or becoming continents is a really untenable idea, and pure theory since there is no indication whatever that such a thing has ever occurred or could occur.
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Faith 
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Message 1039 of 2370 (860056)
08-05-2019 11:31 AM
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08-05-2019 10:56 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Where was the core taken? And at what depth is the iridium band? And does any of it bear any resemblance at all to Cretaceous deposits on th eland?
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Faith 
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Message 1041 of 2370 (860058)
08-05-2019 11:35 AM
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08-05-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Did I say ONLY people here disagree with me? That's unlikely since I know all believers in the ToE everywhere disagree with me.
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Faith 
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Message 1043 of 2370 (860061)
08-05-2019 11:39 AM
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08-05-2019 11:33 AM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
I'd like to hear what happens to the horizontal strata to the left and right when the mountain uplifts into them so I can move forward with the sequence of diagrams.
There ARE no horizontal strata to the left and right. The mountain would uplift the whole block of strata, breaking it apart, which would create the two parts that fall to left and right. It's very clear on the diagram that the strata beneath the island/sea level line are part of the short tilted strata on the surface which are not in the position they were in when deposited. The right hand strata therefore became those that we see on the diagram. There are no others.
I've been dealing with a bunch of distractions but I still plan to do my own diagrams on paper and hope to figure out how to scan and post them.
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Faith 
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Message 1047 of 2370 (860072)
08-05-2019 12:08 PM
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08-05-2019 11:43 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
Uplift, sure, and the raising of mountains, sure, but not sea floor. It has appeared to me from many cross sections that all the tectonic processes began after all the strata were laid down, also earthquakes which of course are the result of tectonic forces, and volcanoes as well. Evidence is that it's the whole stack that is affected all at once and in the same way, not separate layers independently of one another. Magma can be seen to rise all the way from beneath the Precambrian rocks to the top of a given sedimentary stack, etc.
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Faith 
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Message 1048 of 2370 (860073)
08-05-2019 12:19 PM
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08-05-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
You're noting a reality, not a problem. Why would sediments deposited in the Grand Canyon region have anything to do with those deposited in the UK or the South China Sea or Australia or the North Atlantic or South Africa? In other words, why would sediments deposited in widely separated locations have anything to do with each other? Surely you're not still clinging to the silly belief that the same stack of sedimentary layers were deposited worldwide.
What a strange response. Doesn't the entire geological column/time scale span the entire Earth? Aren't there strata everywhere that indicate the time periods from Precambrian to Holocene, however incompletely in some cases? Pretty clear to me that the strata in the UK are the same as those in Tennessee and in the Grand Canyon, Grand Staircase area, in that they were all deposited completely, before the tectonic upheaval occurred that distorted them in their various ways.
I'm sure the marine strata do look like "former sea floor" but that's only because they contain fossils from the sea floor. There IS another explanation for this.
This notion of sea floor being raised onto continents or beco
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