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Faith 
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Message 511 of 953 (859958)
08-04-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by JonF
08-04-2019 5:51 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
Please do not give me a wall of print quotations. Single out the main points, PLEASE, and present those, and link to the source. PLEASE. Skimming through it only suggests that it corrects a few unimportant facts/

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Message 512 of 953 (859959)
08-04-2019 6:19 PM
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08-04-2019 6:14 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
then why isn't he calling out the baltimore municipal government? Cummings doesn't run baltimore. Trump just has his panties in a twist because a black man has the nerve to call him out.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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JonF
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Message 513 of 953 (859962)
08-04-2019 6:56 PM
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08-04-2019 6:16 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
Those are the main points, and I included a link.
The Feds decided most of the allocations. Way oversimplifying, by far the biggest chunk of the money went to John's Hopkins and Maryland Universities. After other and worthwhile allocations, over the last two years the City of Baltimore got $380 million for operations and 75 worthwhile programs. Improving the poor sections got $40 million (decided by the Feds). Trump's wanted to get rid of that expenditure. I don't know if he succeeded in the bill he just signed.

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Faith 
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Message 514 of 953 (859964)
08-04-2019 7:05 PM
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08-04-2019 6:56 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
Any information about how that forty million was spent?

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Message 515 of 953 (859965)
08-04-2019 7:32 PM
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08-04-2019 5:51 PM


Re: Billions of dollars and no results
OK I finally read the whole thing.
And I note two major points: This is discussion of aid given OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. But this problem has gone on since Cummings noted it back in 1999 and there is not a single hint as to how the money given over all those years was allotted or used, and the evidence appears to be that it didn't do even a bit of good for the problem we are discussing. A couple years ago at least is when the then mayor of Baltimore visited the area and was offended by the stench of dead rats, not to mention living rats and piles of trash.
The second point is that of course no reason is given for WHY Trump wants to end the program for the neighborhoods. We're just supposed to feel "Well of course, that's Trump always doing what he can to hurt poor people." That is not the Trump his supporters know, it's nothing but the usual Leftist political propaganda to engender emotion instead of knowledge.
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Chiroptera
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Message 516 of 953 (859968)
08-04-2019 8:18 PM
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08-04-2019 4:04 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
Does it matter to anyone that Trump also referred to New Hampshire, which is 94% white, as a drug infested den?"
It seemed to have mattered to New Hampshire: They didn't like it too much.
So Trump understands that phrases like"drug infested"/"rat infested" can be insulting to the people who live there, yet he chose to use the phrase in a deliberate insult to an elected member of Congress.
Either Trump deliberately intended to insult the people of Baltimore or he doesn't care at all who gets insulted when he's angry; either way, it doesn't really reflect well on Trump.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 517 of 953 (859969)
08-04-2019 8:33 PM


Wow! Weird distraction!
People! Trump wasn't literally telling Cummings to go back to Baltimore to fix Baltimore's problems.
Trump was telling Cummings to go back in the same way you'd tell someone to "go jump in the lake." Usually, that wouldn't mean you literally think the person should go swimming; you're just telling them to shut up.
Trump wasn't expressing the opinion that turning one's district into a paradise is a prerequisite to be a member of Congress. He's telling Cummings just to shut up. And the reason Cummings should shut up is that he's a black person from a black person ghetto who only knows black person ghetto culture and he's out of line telling white people how to run a white people country.
Just like when he told Ocasio-Ortez, Pressley, Tlaib, and Omar to go back to where they came from. He was reminding them the colored people countries are a bunch of shithole countries, so colored people can't even run their own lives, so colored people have no business telling white people how to run a white people country. So they should all just shut up.
The reason why Trump's white racist base cheered so loudly is because they understand exactly what Trump is saying. People of color are too dysfunctional to run their own communities, so they should stay in their proper place and quit bothering decent white people.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 518 of 953 (859974)
08-04-2019 9:52 PM
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08-04-2019 8:18 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
Um, I don't suppose you recall that Cummings had first insulted Trump about his immigration views. And let me get this straight: you all can insult Trump day in and day out, hour in and hour out, but Trump can't say something insulting ever even when it's about a real problem that is a crying need for reform? AND ONCE AGAIN NOW, Cummings himself called that district of Baltimore "drug-infested" and described its residents as walking around like "zombies" all the way back in 1999. Na, that doesn't matter, does it? Nothing EVER matters except when Trump says something, anything, that y'all think you can spin into a blot on his charcter even if everybody else in the world and all the liberals combined, have said the same exact thing. Which of course you bury at the back of the paper or erase from Google.

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Message 519 of 953 (859976)
08-04-2019 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 498 by Chiroptera
08-04-2019 3:48 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
My woke mind drew the connection when I saw that Elijah Cummings is black and that he represents a black majority district. Context matters.
Okay, cool... lets talk about context. Because the context that I shared was one of not defending Trump but of discussing the exaggerations of the Regressive Left wing of the Democratic Party. This is now the third time to try to steer the conversation towards that and every time you dodge it.
Again, I think it says more about the people leveling the accusation than it does the one who said it. Your mind immediately drew a connection to rat-infested hellhole with black people. That's kind of amazing to me... and you say its only because Elijah Cummings is black therefore insinuating that if he referred to Baltimore in the same vain, but was explaining it to a white district rep, that it wouldn't have been racist... it just would have been a mean thing to say about the fine people of Baltimore.
Everybody, to include the residents of Baltimore, know that when compared to other cities of comparative size, that something is a little off.
Everything that people on the Right say is racist or homophobic or xenophobic or sexist or whatever outrageous label they've weaponized. Now its getting to the point where Sam Harris, a long-standing Democrat, is referred to as an "Alt-Right enabler" because he's not extreme enough, while simultaneously defending the disgusting and criminal actions of ANTIFA. That's pathetic.
The Republican and Democratic Party are turning into mobs... voices in the middle are getting drowned out by the shrill voices of the extreme on both sides. There shouldn't be a Proud Boys, Alt-Right, ANTIFA, or anything resembling it. This is reactionary bullshit to people who are to afraid to reside in the middle and actually collaborate peacefully... meanwhile, Russia is laughing their ass off at our expense.
There is something as a bridge too far... and we're crossing over it now.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 520 of 953 (859977)
08-04-2019 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Chiroptera
08-04-2019 8:33 PM


Re: Wow! Weird distraction!
Wow what a stellar piece of Leftist spin. Congratulations.

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Message 521 of 953 (859984)
08-04-2019 11:45 PM
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08-04-2019 9:52 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
And let me get this straight: you all can insult Trump day in and day out, hour in and hour out, but Trump can't say something insulting ever even when it's about a real problem that is a crying need for reform
we're a bunch of nobodies on the internet, he's the president of the united states. Right wingers got the diapers full over Obama wearing a tan suit or not wearing a jacket in the oval office but don't seem to have a problem with a load mouthed racist asshole who spends the weekend of 2 domestic terrorist attacks golfing at his country club, gee I wonder what the difference between the two are?
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Message 522 of 953 (859987)
08-05-2019 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 521 by DrJones*
08-04-2019 11:45 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
... a load mouthed racist asshole who spends the weekend of 2 domestic terrorist attacks golfing at his country club, ...
You forgot to mention that he goes golfing at his country club in order to make a profit from the government paying the club for all rentals, rooms, meals, fees, etc, for him and his entourage (including security). And if how his own hotel overcharged him for the inaugural ball is any indication, those golf resort bills must be heavily padded so that he can make as much profit as he can. So far, that's cost us over $100 million dollars.
Let's face it, there's probably no national tragedy great enough to keep Trump from golfing for profit. He does have his priorities.
 
That's another difference between Trump and Obama. When Obama went golfing, he'd go to a local military course. Pretty much all it cost us was the motorcade, plus Obama didn't make a dime off of it.

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Message 523 of 953 (859997)
08-05-2019 1:10 AM
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08-05-2019 12:11 AM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
A man who gives his rightful paycheck as President to charity doesn't sound like a man who does anything to defraud the government.
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Faith 
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Message 524 of 953 (859998)
08-05-2019 1:12 AM
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08-04-2019 11:45 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
Funny. I suppose you aren't aware you are confirming what I just said either, are you?

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Message 525 of 953 (859999)
08-05-2019 2:53 AM
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08-05-2019 1:10 AM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
A man who gives his rightful paycheck as President to charity doesn't sound like a man who does anything to defraud the government.
You are just trying to deflect and distract. That has nothing to do with the fact that Trump is profiteering from choosing to go to his own golf resorts. That is not fraud, but rather corruption.
The ethical thing for Trump to do would be to go golfing on a course that he does not own. Most military bases have good courses; that's what Obama would use. But then ethical conduct is an alien concept that Trump cannot even begin to grasp.
It's obvious that Trump goes to his own golf resorts for profit and the very high frequency of his golf trips make for more profit. Are you trying to deny that Trump does make a profit every time he goes golfing at his own resorts?
If you are trying to deny that Trump makes a profit off of his golf trips, then do please present your reasoning.

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