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Message 728 of 868 (859837)
08-03-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 727 by Phat
08-03-2019 1:59 PM


Re: Is God Even Necessary?
But how do you know that human perception may not be altered? I suppose the next question will be to demand evidence.
Evidence already abounds. We suck at perceptions. That is why objective evidence is vital to explain and understand *anything*.

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Message 732 of 868 (860006)
08-05-2019 4:53 AM
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08-05-2019 3:39 AM


So if Jesus claimed to be God when he was on earth, why do you claim he wasn’t?
Without objective evidence why should we believe him?
Without objective evidence, if he even existed at all, he was just another Jim Jones/David Koresh type delusional megalomaniac.

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Message 755 of 868 (861808)
08-27-2019 11:31 AM
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08-27-2019 9:10 AM


The Nicene Creed was formulated by the Catholic Church
Actually the Church in Rome was but one of the parties at the council of Nicea in 325CE.
Ok, out of my element ... confusion.
I don't think the Bishop of Rome was "The Catholic Church" at the time of Nicaea.
Wasn't the Council of Nicaea the embodiment of "The Catholic Church" at the time?

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Message 759 of 868 (861835)
08-27-2019 5:16 PM
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08-27-2019 4:44 PM


I believe that Sproul was not simply some conman. He had a genuine love of scripture and of logic, reason, and reality ...
Really, Thug!
The one Sproul podcast I commented on for you earlier contained a whopper of a ... apocryphal story. And then the no...thing, no..thing, no.thing, nothing crapola?
Genuine love of logic, reason, and reality?
BS.
Sorry, man, but, no.

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AZPaul3
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Message 764 of 868 (861943)
08-29-2019 3:23 PM
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08-29-2019 2:01 PM


On the atheist side, do you have any favorite people to listen to?
No. I don't listen to no body.
Seriously ...
That depends on how you define listen to.
I can imagine you listen to fellow religionists for the emotional philosophical comfort. I don’t seem to have such a need.
In my younger days I did all the usual listening to the usual list of philosophers from Aristotle and Epicurus, to Joseph Campbell and John McDowell. I still read Khalil Gibran and Bob Dylan not just for the art but also the philosophy. Matt Dillahunty doesn’t do anything for me. There is no challenge there.
These days I am almost exclusively centered on videos. Anything from the Royal Institution, PBS SpaceTime , TED Talks, Fermilab, insert long list here. Of late I’ve been into Mythology, the ecumenical councils, the new discoveries at Gbekli Tepe interspersed with Brian Greene, Jim Al-Khalili and Sean Carroll.
So, to answer your question, I listen to science, history and occasionally Janis Joplin. Though my brain still sparks an a-ha with some new thought I come across my philosophy is pretty well set and I seem to have no need for verification. Only challenge.
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Message 769 of 868 (861957)
08-29-2019 7:36 PM
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08-29-2019 3:49 PM


Khalil Gibran .
Who ever turned you on to that,,,,,,loved you.
Yes, she did.
If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were.
Memories.
So long ago.

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Message 818 of 868 (862977)
09-17-2019 10:42 PM
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09-17-2019 7:05 PM


Re: It was the Protestant Evangelical Christians in German that supported Hitler
Ouch!
That flag hurts. It's been decades since I'd seen that.

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