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Topic: The 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Campaign
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 131 of 505 (859457)
07-31-2019 6:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by RAZD
07-31-2019 6:02 PM
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Re: GOTCHA
The Koch report was highly deceptive and highly misrepresented costs. Like Chris Matthews they do not care about total costs. The report and Matthews are just trying to get a Gotcha sound clip. The amazing thing is that this was a study with a thumb on the scale. Even with the thumb on the scale it shows a saving of $2 trillion over 10 years. This is why the GOP and their funders are scared. They have to outright lie in order for their arguments to even make sense.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Who is calling for open borders?
Everything I've seen seems to indicate an open border.
Please show one prominent Democrat that has advocated for an open border. Edited by Theodoric, : new subtitle
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
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Message 138 of 505 (859502)
07-31-2019 10:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Trump won
07-31-2019 10:54 PM
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Ok not a nazi. Then just a garden variety racist.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Who is calling for open borders?
That is not how that works. You are claiming that most Democrats want open borders. Please show a prominent Democrat advocating for open borders. Once you clear that up, you can look at what the candidates are advocating for immigration reform. A number of them have policy papers on the subject. I have yet to see any call for open borders.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Open borders? Who? Not Warren.
No open borders here.
Elizabeth Warren's stance on immigration Edited by Theodoric, : subtitle
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Who is calling for open borders?
No open borders in her plan. Show me where in her plan she calls for open borders. You found one blog post saying it does. Show me where she calls for open borders. His conclusions are not supported by the data. You have yet to show where any Dem, prominent or not, has called for open borders. Do you know what that term means. Kevin Drum seems to be just concern trolling as he does not even show where there is a call for open borders. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 156 of 505 (859576)
08-01-2019 3:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by Percy
08-01-2019 2:33 PM
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Re: Who is calling for open borders?
Great post. I was just in the middle of my own point by point take down of Drum's blog post. We were hitting most of the same points so I will not pile one. I still have not gotten any response for my request for any Democrat calling for open borders. It seems Hyro and other rightwingers have a different definition of the term than the reality of the term. Maybe if he and people like Drum could explain what they mean by open borders we could explain why it isn't open borders. I follow progressive politics pretty close and I have some contacts in a few progressive organizations. I know of no one calling for open borders. No one. Since Hyro claims that is what the party stands for he would be able to at least point out one person that has advocated such a thing.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 159 of 505 (859614)
08-02-2019 8:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 158 by RAZD
08-02-2019 7:45 AM
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Re: What is an open border?
That would be what I think of as an open border. I am still waiting for Hyro to show me anyone advocating for such a border with Canada and Mexico. He claims that is what all Dems want, but seemingly can't provide any actual examples.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Give Joe Biden some credit.
1: Open Borders has been completely trashed by professional Democrats (despite growing support among registered Democrats) Please show me evidence showing a large number of registered Democrats supporting open borders. Decriminalization Open borders
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Give Joe Biden some credit.
So you can not name one Democrat that is advocating for open borders. One poll means nothing. The question in this poll was as follows.
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Do you think we should have basically open borders or do you think we need secure borders?
As there is no definition of what is meant by open borders and secure borders the question itself is suspect. 13% of republicans also chose open borders.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Who is calling for open borders?
So no one is advocating for open borders.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Who is calling for open borders?
I read your post. Your conclusions do not arise from the evidence. No one is advocating for open borders. Decriminalization is not open borders.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Give Joe Biden some credit.
and "growing" You cannot know it is growing. There is one poll you presented. There is nothing you can have compared it to. Show me some other polls and we can compare the questions and the poll results. Until then don't make claims that are not supported by any evidence whatsoever. I also love the claim that since "professional Democrats" opppose open borders the base must support it. Again no evidence just one random poll result. Again I need to say it again I guess. Decriminalization Open borders. That little formula there means they are not the same thing. Edited by Theodoric, : rant added
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: I found another poll that touches on Open Borders (pre-Democratic smear campaign)
Again the question asked is pretty meaningless. What is meant by "open our borders"? Maybe we are discussing different concepts. What is your definition of open borders? Edited by Theodoric, : Quote
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9144 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: I found another poll that touches on Open Borders (pre-Democratic smear campaign)
Done here too. Good day Sir!
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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