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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Theodoric writes: About Sam Harris? Yes.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Um, I don't suppose you recall that Cummings had first insulted Trump about his immigration views. Even if Cummings insulted Trump first, and even if we agree that returning insults is the appropriate response, then Trump should have chosen one that didn't have racist overtones. Because by choosing a racist insult, Trump didn't just insult Cummings, he was insulting all black Americans. He wasn't just telling Cummings to shut up, he was telling all black Americans to mind their place.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Rationalwiki does a good job looking at Harris and his views.
Sam Harris - RationalWiki Some quick examples from rational wiki.
quote: quote: quote: Harris also seems to think he can whitesplain racism to blacks. HIs arguments are laid bare to show how utterly crass they are.What Sam Harris Gets Wrong About Racism And Violence In America | HuffPost Voices Though Harris may not be alt right but he certainly is an enabler and does not seem willing to criticize their views. This is not something I just dreamed up. Others have come to this conclusion also.The Alt-Right's Relationship with the Sceptic Community - The Freethink Tank quote:From the Enlightenment to the Dark Ages: How "new atheism" slid into the alt-right | Salon.com A good look at how new atheism is closely aligned with the alt right. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
and there is not a single hint as to how the money given over all those years was allotted or used,
Biullshit.
quote: and the evidence appears to be that it didn't do even a bit of good for the problem we are discussing.
And you know this how? It didn't eliminate the problem, but perhaps it ameliorated the problem. Blame the Federal Government for not allocating it properly or not supplying enough. Of course if Trump had his way there'd be no money. Remember you said:
so where did those billions go? Obviously not to fixing the problem.
You now know where most of them went at the direction of the Feds, and it's not at all obvious the small amount allocated to fixing the problem didn't help. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Non sequitur.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Laila Lalami has written a column in The Nation:
Trump Has Brought Back 'Conditional Citizenship' She touches on some of the issues being discussed here.
None of this is to say that whites, particularly those who are poor or without a college education, don’t struggle. Of course they do.... But it is to say that when white Americans blast the government for not solving these problems, they are not told that they should be silent or that they should go back. It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Typo that needs correction (added bolding):
You no know where most of them went at the direction of the Feds, ... Do you mean: "You do know where ... "? Or do you mean: "You do not know where ... "? I cannot think of any other interpretations for that obvious typographical error.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Because the context that I shared was one of not defending Trump but of discussing the exaggerations of the Regressive Left wing of the Democratic Party. This is now the third time to try to steer the conversation towards that and every time you dodge it. You tried to illustrate "the exaggerations of the Regressive Left wing" with an example that turns out to be bonafide racism. If you want to discuss unfair accusations of racism, you need to find a better example. Or do a better example of convincing us that your example really is relevant. It's not really dodging an issue if you're failed to demonstrate there actually is an issue. -
Your mind immediately drew a connection to rat-infested hellhole with black people. That's kind of amazing to me... I know. You tried to gain a rhetorical advantage by accusing me of racism. It didn't work. I not only continued to explain how Trump's comments were racist, but I tried to explain why it matters who the target is. If my explanations are unclear, I'm willing to make another attempt. -
...voices in the middle are getting drowned out by the shrill voices of the extreme on both sides. If being in the middle means ignoring blatant examples of racism in our important government officials, then I'm not sure that the middle is really morally defensible position.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I think he meant, " You now know..."
It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You now know where...
Fixed.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump should have chosen one that didn't have racist overtones. But you are the one finding racis overtones in what Trump said, otherwise there is nothing racist in it, it's an accurate description of the conditions he was talking about, and many others have said the same thing. The point is to try to set a fire under the people who might be able to do something about the problems. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
A thief who puts money in the poor box is still a thief. A man who gives his rightful paycheck as President to charity doesn't sound like a man who does anything to defraud the government."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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But you are the one finding racis overtones in what Trump said, ... The racists among Trump's followers find them too. Like the El Paso terrorist who used many things said in Trump's tweets.
The point is to try to set a fire under the people who might be able to do something about the problems. No, the point is to attack the person who is issuing subpoenas for documents and witnesses so that his committee can conduct its investigations that are needed in their constitutional role of oversight. Subpoenas that Trump is doing everything he can to block, including diverting public attention away from the fact of his ongoing obstruction. The point is also to cater to the racists in his base by using their language.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Theodoric writes: Even though most of these people would deny being a part of the alt-right, the usual line being that they are advocates of facts, not politics — they, intentionally or not, do court the alt-right movement. They offer legitimacy and support for their ideas and fuel for the movement. I just picked this out because it seems the most pertinent. First off Sam Harris is liberal. He would deny being alt right because he very obviously isn't. He's a defender of science and evidence based thinking andy has built a reputation on it. I really can't take these alt right accusations seriously. And it seems his opponents don't either; their actual complaint is that he's an 'enabler'. Well that's a wonderful accusation. Basically it means that if an idea or a piece of evidence that can be used and abused by a real arsehole to promote their bad ideas it most go unsaid - even if true. That's a total nonsense.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Guilt by association is usually considered to be a false and dangerous standard for judgment of anyone. Unless of course he's Trump, then any old accusation will do.
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