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Percy
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Message 1066 of 2370 (860108)
08-05-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1050 by Faith
08-05-2019 12:25 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Faith writes:
Gulf of Mexico is not the same as the oceans,...
Because why?
...it shows many signs of having been formed after all the strata were laid down, and that would include the strata of the Cretaceous with its iridium layer...Yes it was part of the continent and not sea floor.
It is true that the Gulf of Mexico was once continent, but it has been submerged since the Jurassic. The K-T boundary layer at the end of the Cretaceious was deposited in a marine environment.
You asked why strata found on continents are not also found on the sea floor, and the answer is that they are. That deep sea core from the Gulf of Mexico is an example.
--Percy

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RAZD
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Message 1067 of 2370 (860110)
08-05-2019 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1053 by Faith
08-05-2019 1:15 PM


Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
I know the geological column is only partial in any given location, that is a mistake I do not make, it's irrelevant to anything I've said.
So your massive world wide flood dances across the surface of the earth leaving one kind of deposit here, another kind there, some parts bare, several times around to make layer after layer after layer ... and yet they all seem to stack up in vertical layers in each area without being distributed helter-skelter around the world.
Fascinating.
and totally unworkable.
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Faith 
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Message 1068 of 2370 (860113)
08-05-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1067 by RAZD
08-05-2019 2:49 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
I know the geological column is only partial in any given location, that is a mistake I do not make, it's irrelevant to anything I've said.
So your massive world wide flood dances across the surface of the earth leaving one kind of deposit here, another kind there, some parts bare, several times around to make layer after layer after layer ... and yet they all seem to stack up in vertical layers in each area without being distributed helter-skelter around the world.
WHAT?
Why should the Flood produce perfection? Sometimes you all say it could produce only a jumble, and then when I agree it wouldn't produce perfect geological columns everywhere now you complain that it's not perfect.
The Flood didn't do any dancing and what do you mean by "several times around?" I picture the ocean rising up over the shore line of this ONE CONTINENT (that's all there was at the time) depositing a layer or part of a layer with each wave until the whole land area was under a great depth of water (I have no idea how deep since the layers would have added a lot to the land's depth), and there would be different sediments deposited on different parts of the continent, in some places the layer wouldn't be complete for lack of sufficient sediment and in others it would be far thicker than the rest of the same layer elsewhere. Why not? What makes you want perfection?
Fascinating.
and totally unworkable.
And of course you would know because you've seen a worldwide Flood.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1069 of 2370 (860116)
08-05-2019 3:39 PM
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08-05-2019 3:22 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
We know water. We know gravity. We know erosion. We know the chemistry of lithification. We know Walther's Law. We know floods. We know lots.
Flood size is irrelevant after some point, because the effects are always local.
We know.

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Faith 
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Message 1070 of 2370 (860121)
08-05-2019 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1066 by Percy
08-05-2019 2:37 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
No, the Gulf of Mexico is not sea floor. Produce a core from the Atlantic about halfway between the continent and the Atlantic ridge and see what you get.
The strata in the Gulf are the same as the strata on the continents although they only go as deep as the Jurassic and everything beneath that is not shown. The second image below at least shows "hard rock" beneath the Jurassic salt.
So I looked for the geological situation for the land area, Texas, and found the fourth image which shows that there is rock beneath the Jurassic there at least. Ordovician is labeled, and rock beneath that is shown though not labeled. So it would make sense that the same rock lies beneath the Jurassic in the Gulf though cores haven't gone that deep.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 1071 of 2370 (860122)
08-05-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1070 by Faith
08-05-2019 4:12 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
quote:
No, the Gulf of Mexico is not sea floor.
I think this says all that needs to be said.
Anyone who thinks that the Gulf of Mexico is not sea is completely delusional.

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Faith 
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Message 1072 of 2370 (860123)
08-05-2019 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1069 by JonF
08-05-2019 3:39 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
Nonsense. Water covering the entire planet to a great depth would do things you can't imagine with your local floods. The whole surface of the land would be so defaced just from the forty days and nights of rain it would be unrecognizable and then the strata piled on top of it would further erase any recognizable remains.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1073 of 2370 (860124)
08-05-2019 4:20 PM
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08-05-2019 4:18 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
The usual semantic putdown that is utterly meaningless. Why don't you just try to figure out why it's not sea floor and what I mean by that?

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PaulK
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Message 1074 of 2370 (860128)
08-05-2019 4:26 PM
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08-05-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
quote:
The usual semantic putdown that is utterly meaningless.
No. It’s pointing out that your assertion is utterly divorced from reality.
quote:
Why don't you just try to figure out why it's not sea floor and what I mean by that?
Obviously it is sea floor. And I suppose it’s just your usual refusal to accept that you are wrong.

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JonF
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Message 1075 of 2370 (860139)
08-05-2019 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1070 by Faith
08-05-2019 4:12 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
No, the Gulf of Mexico is not sea floor
Thus spake Faith.
Define "sea floor" and demonstrate why the Gulf of Mexico isn't it. .
Note that significant layers are accumulating on top of a part of the geologic column in the Gulf. That's the point which you are desperately trying to avoid.
Also address the cores I posted
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JonF
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Message 1076 of 2370 (860141)
08-05-2019 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1072 by Faith
08-05-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
Thus spake Faith.
Floods don't produce layers, and flumes are irrelevant. Floods do not sort fossils or anything.
You're saying all life would be destroyed before layers accumulated. So the first layer and each subsequent layer would overly all the fossils.
Is that what we see?

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JonF
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Message 1077 of 2370 (860142)
08-05-2019 5:35 PM
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08-05-2019 4:20 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
Why don't you just try to figure out why it's not sea floor and what I mean by that?
This isn't a game show. It's your claim, you defend it.
My money is on unthinking knee-jerk reaction in a vain attempt to avoid having to address the issue.

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Faith 
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Message 1078 of 2370 (860143)
08-05-2019 5:39 PM
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08-05-2019 5:32 PM


Re: Patchwork Quilt Geological Column/s
THE Flood DID produce layers and DID sort thngs as ew see them. "Floods" are something else entirely.
Where did I say all life would be destroyed before any layers were laid down? I can't have said that, I don't think it's true. By the time ALL the strata were laid down, yes.
Is WHAT "what we see?" I don't know what you mean.

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Faith 
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Message 1079 of 2370 (860144)
08-05-2019 5:41 PM
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08-05-2019 5:35 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
The Gulf was formed after the strata were deposited. It is not sea floor.

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Faith 
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Message 1080 of 2370 (860145)
08-05-2019 5:41 PM
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08-05-2019 5:35 PM


Re: Geological Column/ Time Scale is Over and Done With
It's only right to put in a little effort to understand what people are saying when it isn't immediately clear.

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