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JonF
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Message 2498 of 5796 (860197)
08-06-2019 8:57 AM


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Message 2499 of 5796 (860204)
08-06-2019 9:30 AM


False Flags
From Evangelical Warren Throckmorton Patheos Evangelical Blogger Says El Paso and Dayton Shootings Appear to be False Flag Operations (UPDATED) – Warren Throckmorton
quote:
Patheos blog Hedgerow written by Bethany Blankley yesterday called the massacres at Dayton and El Paso false flags. She wrote:
quote:
Unfortunately the tragic events of shootings in El Paso or Dayton increasingly occurring in America appear to be False Flag events perpetrated by conspirators to get rid of the Second Amendment. Once you’re familiar with the pattern, you’re able to identify them.
...
Once upon a time in 2017, Blankley posted a headline asking if black football players who don’t acknowledge the national anthem should be shot. A few of us complained and the headline was changed. However, the post is still up and this subheadline remains:
Should NFL players who don’t acknowledge the National Anthem be shot? One Dallas Baptist pastor says they would be anywhere else but in America
{emphasis in original}

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Message 2502 of 5796 (860281)
08-06-2019 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 2498 by JonF
08-06-2019 8:57 AM


Juanita Jean (the world's most dangerous beauty salon) has the perfect reply.
"We have those. They're called prisons."

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Message 2523 of 5796 (860989)
08-15-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2522 by Chiroptera
08-15-2019 9:20 AM


Apparently he's under a lot of pressure from inside, even Bolton, to say something strong. He's resisting because he wants a trade agreement more than human rights.

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JonF
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Message 2526 of 5796 (860996)
08-15-2019 10:47 AM


He has no idea what the protesters want.
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Message 2531 of 5796 (861002)
08-15-2019 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2527 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:09 PM


You haven't noticed that to Trump money and personal power is all that matters?
There are horrible human rights abuses at the border according to everyone who's visited to find out, except for some border patrol agents and a very few Republican congresspeeps.
Amnesty International USA: Catastrophic immigration policies resulted in more family separations than previously disclosed - Amnesty International
UN Human Rights Chief UN rights chief ‘appalled’ by US border detention conditions, says holding migrant children may violate international law | | UN News
Written Testimony: "Kids in Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border"
Testimony of Clara Long Before the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, July 11, 2019
quote:
July 11, 2019 8:00AM EDT
Written Testimony: "Kids in Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border"
Testimony of Clara Long Before the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, July 11, 2019
Clara Long
Senior Researcher, US Program
From June 17 to June 19, 2019, I was part of a team of lawyers, doctors and interpreters monitoring conditions for children in Border Patrol stations in the El Paso, Texas area on behalf of the class of children protected by the Flores Settlement Agreement.[4] On June 17 and 19 I interviewed children detained at the Clint Border Patrol Station, and on June 18, I interviewed children and their families at the El Paso Station (also known as Station 1) and the Santa Teresa Border Patrol Station. I personally interviewed 16 detained children in these three facilities, while our monitoring team interviewed over 50 children throughout our visit.
Our in-depth interviews with children revealed that the US Border Patrol is holding many children, including some who are much too young to take care of themselves, in jail-like border facilities for weeks at a time without contact with family members, or regular access to showers, clean clothes, toothbrushes, or proper beds. Many were sick. Many, including children as young as 2 or 3, were separated from adult caretakers without any provisions for their care besides that provided by unrelated older children also being held in detention. These conditions are consistent with those Human Rights Watch documented in our February 2018 report, In the Freezer.[5] In contrast with the conditions as of February 2018, the harms of CBP detention for children are now compounding over weeks instead of days.
Bhttps://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/border-patrol-official-confirm-poor-conditions-migrant-detention-centers
quote:
An El Paso Border Patrol official on Monday confirmed the terrible conditions at the migrant detention centers, including a culture of border agents’ derogatory treatment of the detainees.
Under the condition of keeping his identity concealed, a U.S. Customs and Border Patrol official told CNN reporter Nick Valencia that his boss would make fun of dead migrants.
‘What difference does it make? It’s just another life,' the border official quoted his supervisor as saying.
He made a comment also regarding running over illegals, the official added. And I’m like, ‘You cannot run over people.'
The CBP official also confirmed that the holding facilities are filthy.
We have a maintenance and cleaning crew that clean the general area by the hallways, the agent said. But I have never seen them cleaning counters or cleaning toilets in the cells or cleaning sinks in the cells. Sometimes you go in a cell and there’s trash everywhere.
What do you say to [CBP] leaders who are saying migrants are getting basic human rights? asked Valencia.
What is basic human rights? the official responded. Toilet paper? Water from the sink? Or wearing the same clothing for days?
CBP spokesman Roger Maier denied that the cleaning crews were neglecting the cells.
Our contract custodial crews clean the facilities every shift (three times a day) including the cells, Maier told TPM.
The anonymous agent’s account backs up House Democrats’ reports after they toured Texas’ border facilities in El Paso and Clint. According to the lawmakers, migrants were being denied medicine, showers, and even functioning sinks. They said that migrants were being told to drink water out of the cell toilets, a claim that the Department of Homeland Security denied.
On Tuesday, investigators at the Department of Homeland Security released photos showing how migrants had been forced into extremely cramped cells and cages.
There's plenty more.

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JonF
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Message 2539 of 5796 (861010)
08-15-2019 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2533 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:50 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
The Department of Homeland Security Inspector General agrees.
A few kids were kept in cages for a short time under Obama. Not at all comparable.
The major issue is that the administration decided to incarcerate everyone and separate families without thinking of what that required. This administration has done that sort of thing many times. They should have lined up the money sooner.
The canard that "Many kids are brought here by people who are not their family" has been investigated. It's bullshit.
quote:
In a congressional hearing on Tuesday, Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Kevin McAleenan repeatedly raised the specter of fraudulent Central American families crossing the border. McAleenan said Customs and Border Protection is seeing enormous numbers of fraudulent cases4,800 so far this fiscal year. That number is well under 1 percent of the more than 600,000 people encountered by immigration officials at the US border this yearand even that figure may overstate the issue. As Mother Jones has reported, only parents or legal guardians and their children count as families under Department of Homeland Security standards. So migrants traveling with siblings, in-laws, and grandchildren under 18 may have been included in the fraud statistics.

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JonF
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Message 2541 of 5796 (861012)
08-15-2019 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2533 by Faith
08-15-2019 12:50 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
I realize that you hate the very concept of truth, but here's excerpts directly from the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General. This is the real thing.
Management Alert — DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding and Prolonged Detention of Children and Adults in the Rio Grande Valley (Redacted)
quote:
In May 2019, we issued a management alert about dangerous overcrowding observed in the El Paso area during our unannounced inspections of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) holding facilities.1 During the week of June 10, 2019, we traveled to the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and again observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention in Border Patrol facilities requiring immediate attention. ...
During our visits to five Border Patrol facilities and two ports of entry in the Rio Grande Valley,2 we reviewed compliance with CBP’s Transport, Escort, Detention and Search (TEDS) standards, which govern CBP’s interaction with detained individuals,3 and observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs),4 families, and single adults that require immediate attention. Specifically, Border Patrol was holding about 8,000 detainees in custody at the time of our visit, with 3,400 held longer than the 72 hours generally permitted under the TEDS standards.5 Of those 3,400 detainees, Border Patrol held 1,500 for more than 10 days. ...
In addition to holding roughly 30 percent of minor detainees for longer than 72 hours, several Rio Grande Valley facilities struggled to meet other TEDS standards for UACs and families. For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that reasonable efforts be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention.8 At these facilities, children had limited access to a change of clothes; Border Patrol had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities. While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals as is required by the TEDS standards9 until the week we arrived.10 Instead, the children were fed sandwiches and snacks for their meals. Additionally, while Border Patrol tried to provide the least restrictive setting available for children (e.g., by leaving holding room doors open), the limited space for medical isolation resulted in some UACs and families being held in closed cells.
Figure 1. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 10, 2019, at Border Patrol’s McAllen, TX, Station. Source: OIG
Figure 2. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 11, 2019, at Border Patrol’s McAllen, TX, Centralized Processing Center. Source: OIG
Figure 3. Overcrowding of families observed by OIG on June 11, 2019, at Border Patrol’s Weslaco, TX, Station. Source: OIG
In the Border Patrol facilities we visited, we also observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention among adult detainees. TEDS provides that under no circumstances should the maximum [cell] occupancy rate, as set by the fire marshal, be exceeded.11 However, at one facility, some single adults were held in standing room only conditions for a week and at another, some single adults were held more than a month in overcrowded cells (see figures 4 and 5).
Figure 5. Fifty-one adult females held in a cell designated for male juveniles with a capacity for 40 (left), and 71 adult males held in a cell designated for adult females with a capacity for 41 (right), observed by OIG on June 12, 2019, at Border Patrol’s Fort Brown Station. Source: OIG
In these overcrowded conditions, CBP was unable to meet TEDS standards. For example, although TEDS standards require CBP to make a reasonable effort to provide a shower for adults after 72 hours,12 most single adults had not had a shower in CBP custody despite several being held for as long as a month. At some facilities, Border Patrol was giving detainees wet-wipes to maintain personal hygiene. Most single adult detainees were wearing the clothes they arrived in days, weeks, and even up to a month prior. Further, although TEDS standards require agents to remain cognizant of detainees’ religious and other dietary restrictions,13 many single adults had been receiving only bologna sandwiches. Some detainees on this diet were becoming constipated and required medical attention.14
I put some significant effort into getting this from the horse's mouth. Are you too chickenshit to read it?

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JonF
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Message 2542 of 5796 (861013)
08-15-2019 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2540 by Theodoric
08-15-2019 1:45 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?

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JonF
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Message 2548 of 5796 (861024)
08-15-2019 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2543 by Faith
08-15-2019 4:57 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
Confinement conditions under Obama were nowhere nearly as bad.
The administration failed to see the obvious need for funds early enough.
How can the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General be trusted? How can photographs be trusted? How can the testimony of Border Patrol agents be trusted? Do you need a hint?
There is no evidence of organizations putting caravans together.
But your whole message reeks of your hate and your pathetic attempts to avoid the point. The point is the conditions on the border, not whether they could have been avoided, or who is at fault for it.
ARE THOSE CONDITIONS OF CONFINEMENT ACCEPTABLE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
It's apparent your answer is an enthusiastic YES!! We should separate families without tracking them for reuniting. We should take a four-month-old infant from his father. We should bring two-year olds into court without a lawyer and ask them to defend themselves. We should feed them only baloney sandwiches. We should force people to go for weeks without a change of clothes or a shower. We should force them to "sleep" standing up. We should confiscate their desperately needed medications and often not replace them. I'm sure you'd love to be able to "live" in the conditions in those photos, right?
Do you have any answer to those two questions?
It's unspeakably cruel, but the cruelty is the point. It's intended as a deterrent.
I weep for us.

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JonF
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Message 2549 of 5796 (861025)
08-15-2019 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2546 by Faith
08-15-2019 5:40 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
The shoe fits.

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JonF
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Message 2550 of 5796 (861026)
08-15-2019 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2544 by Faith
08-15-2019 5:18 PM


Re: Why we no longer have freedom of the press
You are two of a kind.

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JonF
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Message 2555 of 5796 (861043)
08-16-2019 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2548 by JonF
08-15-2019 7:13 PM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
So we've established that Faith is in favor of the horrendous treatment of migrants at the border. The cruelty is the point, and she loves cruelty.
So why does Faith think Obama did bad things? Because he wasn't barbaric enough?
Again, from an official US Government report:
There are no human rights abuses at our border according to many who have visited there to find out.
No, Faith, those photos and the report and the testimony of Border Patrol agents say there are appalling human rights abuses at our border.
And you want more.

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JonF
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Message 2558 of 5796 (861047)
08-16-2019 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2553 by Faith
08-16-2019 8:48 AM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
I have no reason to take your account as the truth, you know -- it doesn't read like anything more than gossipy opinion really
It reads like easily checked facts that scare the crap out of you. Obviously you're happy in your right-wing bubble of lies.

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JonF
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Message 2561 of 5796 (861051)
08-16-2019 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2559 by Faith
08-16-2019 10:23 AM


Re: You really want me to take such fake news seriously?
So you admit that you approve of the barbaric cruelty at the border.
ANd that you have no factual response to what Dwise wrote.
Nobody with two brain cells to rub together takes that stuff seriously. They sure do make some serious money scaring your with that garbage.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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