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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
It wasn't intended to be, grandma. Why don't you answer the questions I ask you? Sorry kid, "nonsense" isn't an argument."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
The first commandment is why various religions cannot live in peace with others. If you think people who worship differently are violating one of the most important things you believe in, you're just encouraging enmity.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 596 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I've answered everything in great detail. You've said nothing but dodges about filling in blanks and about how there are other ideas of god.
C'mon, at least try to say something!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
Exactly. It is not based on the information that is not available. Knowledge is based on the information available to us. You can say, "I don't know X," because of a lack of information. You can not say, "I know not-X," because of a lack of information. Lack of information determines what we don't know, not what we do know. "Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: You've already admitted that I can know something. I will not admit that you can "know" a negative in the same way. So no. But it is the same way: You can tentatively know a positive based on the information available to us.You can tentatively know a negative based on the information available to us. All knowledge is tentative.All knowledge is based on the information available to us. Therefore, we can leave these out as they are redundant: You can know a positive.You can know a negative. ringo writes: Stile writes: If you can't know negative things, then you can't know positive things either... Nonsense. Then explain why you can't know a negative, and why this doesn't also apply to knowing a positive.I understand if you think knowledge is absolute.. but knowledge is not absolute - therefore your logic is in error. You keep demanding a connection to reality. Now you show one. You can't just wave your magic wand and pull the curtain away and say, "Voila! Elephants don't exist." That is not a demonstration of reality. The reality is: There is no connection between the imagination of God and reality. If you don't think that's an accurate description of reality, I'm open to more information. Just provide it.Without providing it - the claim of reality stands. Since there is no connection between the imagination of God and reality - I know that God does not exist.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
No. You are a Christian, aren't you?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
You have not answered this: I've answered everything in great detail. What are the logical errors in the idea of God?1. _____________. 2. _____________. 3. _____________. "Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
Demonstrate it. The reality is: There is no connection between the imagination of God and reality. Failure to find it is not a demonstration. It's a lack of demonstration."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: You can not say, "I know not-X," because of a lack of information. I'm not doing this.Are you saying we have no available information? Are you saying people haven't irrationally searched for God for thousands of years and found nothing?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
That's what you're saying. We've looked but we found nothing.
Are you saying we have no available information? Stile writes:
I'm saying they have rationally searched and some of them have found. Are you saying people haven't irrationally searched for God for thousands of years and found nothing?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: Demonstrate it.Failure to find it is not a demonstration. It's a lack of demonstration. Of course 'failure to find' is a demonstration of not finding something in our available information. Again - knowledge is not absolute. Same error, again.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
And lack of knowledge is not knowledge. Same error again. Again - knowledge is not absolute."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: I'm saying they have rationally searched and some of them have found. If someone rationally searched for God's existence - please inform us of the rational link between God and reality.Without that, it was an irrational search. And if they found God - please inform us of the rational tests that show God's existence.Without that, it was an irrational claim.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: And lack of knowledge is not knowledge. Same error again. And no one is making a claim on lack-of-knowedge. I'm making a claim on the information available to us.Do you dispute that we have information available to us? And that, according to this information, there is no link between God and reality?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
No. They could have searched rationally without finding a rational link.
If someone rationally searched for God's existence - please inform us of the rational link between God and reality.Without that, it was an irrational search. Stile writes:
No. Even if the God they found fails all rational tests, that does not mean the search was irrational. And if they found God - please inform us of the rational tests that show God's existence.Without that, it was an irrational claim. For example, people searched for centuries for the Northwest Passage. Was the search that discovered the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River irrational? If you think so, explain why. Since the tests they performed (looking for an outlet to the Pacific) failed, does that mean the search was irrational? If you think so, explain why. And of course, the Northwest Passage turned out to be real, though practically impassible."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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