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LamarkNewAge
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Message 1 of 7 (860470)
08-07-2019 5:33 PM


I was in a discussion with Theodoric, and he offered me a link, which was attempting to show racism against blacks in Lyndon Larouche's writings. He said I had to start another thread if I challenged anything in the links.

Here was his link.

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.TheBl...

Here was the part that caused me to find the actual article (I had to do a google past to find the PDF):

quote:
"...the Mesopotamian polymorphic, pro-bestial images of their pagan deities, for example, tell us much which is most essential--and essentially disgusting--about that culture. Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy, argue that "black" persons of African origins are an inferior species of beast-men, are intrinsically immoral believers in the bestial nature of man, themselves included. " Source: Information Society: A Doomed Empire of Evil by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. (April 13, 2000)

Note: Larouche doesn't realize he is contradicting himself: racists (Confederacy) or Larouche both despise "beast-men", they are not "believers in the bestial nature of man"!


I suspected the quote was out of context. I figured Theodoric's source might be attempting to make it look like LaRouche was calling African culture "disgusting".

So I tracked down the source.

https://larouchepub.com/...sh_of_the_nasdaq_informat-lar.pdf

LaRouche actually said that Greeks got their culture from Egyptians (a very important issue in the American black community, mind you), and the Romans started the degeneration. He was attacking serfdom and slavery:"a form of serfdom is typical of ancient Mesopotamian cultures". He wrote an article that would be seen as complementary toward black contributions to the best of humanity's offerings. It was an article about the evolution of man, but he saw man as already having intrinsic abilities. It was a very theological article.

He said Mandeville and Adam Smith saw man as a beast.

That was the referent that the "Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy" referred back to.

The Mesopotamian artistic depictions of man as part beast was also a derivation from Mandeville & Smith type of thinking.

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In reality, contrary to such simple-minded explanations as those popularized, statistical notions of the empiricists, the most important distinction among cultures and leading currents within cultures, is to be found in the differences among the ways in which each of these defines what it identifies as “human nature.” In the sweep of the rise of globally extended European civilization, since ancient Greece, the differences among working definitions of human nature, fall into two general classes, several sub-classes, and, finally, specific types within the bounds of classes and sub-classes. The most important subject-matter of such historiographical studies, is located in the transitions which move a society from one such type, or class of axiomatic definition, to another. The evolution of the conception of human nature within ancient Greece itself, as shown by tracing this evolution from the Homeric epics to Plato, is the most crucial example of those processes of change—e.g., transitions—which bring the underlying principles of history-making—e.g., epistemology and state craft—into focus.

The modern radical positivist’s perverse definition of human nature, is a case in point.

The general classifications to be considered are, essentially, a division between those who insist, as Mandeville and Adam Smith did, that man’s nature, or some men’s nature, is that of merely another beast, as opposed to that of the Christians, and others, who define man as, by nature, of a higher order than any and all of the beasts. Hence, the Mesopotamian polymorphic, pro-bestial images of their pagan deities, for example, tell us much which is most essential--and essentially disgusting--about that culture. Hence, those who, like unreconstructed relics of the Confederacy, argue that "black" persons of African origins are an inferior species of beast-men, are intrinsically immoral believers in the bestial nature of man, themselves included.


I just do not see this as LaRouche saying that he feels the "beast-men" status (chattel slavery) of African Americans during the Confederacy indicates they were legitimately & reasonably - to LaRouche - seen as such.

It had nothing to do with anything LaRouche believes.

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Message 2 of 7 (860472)
08-07-2019 5:52 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Critical thinking test:Question about a source's quote & citation another poster used thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 7 (860489)
08-07-2019 9:24 PM


My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&m=860486#m860486

I will attempt to engage any comments or debate with fellow posters.

This is not going to be a particularly fun set of issues to address though.

(For various reasons)


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Message 4 of 7 (860497)
08-08-2019 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by LamarkNewAge
08-07-2019 9:24 PM


Re: My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
OK, spell it out for me..(no links...just your motive for the topic)

You quoted:

LNA writes:

I only want to comment on the issue of LaRouche being a racist against blacks.

So you and Theo opened this discussion. Am I to conclude that the motive of this topic is to defend larouche? If not, what is it that you want to talk about?

LNA writes:

I will attempt to engage any comments or debate with fellow posters.

This is not going to be a particularly fun set of issues to address though.

What specifically is it that you wish to educate/inform the peanut gallery about? Its a Free For All...I put you over here to give you a topic to run with. Is Theo wrong about Larouche or is this issue bigger than Larouche??

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Message 5 of 7 (860498)
08-08-2019 12:35 AM


Why does anyone care about LaRouche? He's dead and he was a nut. We used to watch his long conspiracy commercials on late night TV to make fun of him. He could never have become president because he was a convicted felon. He was a pathetic character.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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Message 6 of 7 (860499)
08-08-2019 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Thugpreacha
08-08-2019 12:22 AM


Re: My thread got promoted! Here is the link to the EvC discussion.
quote:
So you and Theo opened this discussion. Am I to conclude that the motive of this topic is to defend larouche? If not, what is it that you want to talk about?

It is not a defense of LaRouche on every issue related to ethnic attacks (I think his overall combination of anti-Zionism + the endlessly specific mentioning of Jewish ethnicity among individuals behind various "bad things" in history = anti-Semitic leanings), but it is a response to completely out-of-context quotations when it comes to issues specifically about the African race.

It is the fact that LaRouche was attacked as a "racist" in extremely short media reports (when any coverage was extremely rare, and he was subject to a news media blackout) about him during his Presidential runs from 1976-2004.

His anti-Semitic stuff (though not based on any racial theory, and not due to whatever "skin color" issues some might feel exist when looking at Jewish people) complicates the issue for sure, and to annoying levels.

LaRouche was indeed anti-Semitic during every Presidential run from 1976-2004.

But he was not racist against humans with dark skin, during his Presidential runs.

(When one looks at historical reports from a 2019 vantage point, this issue is admittedly complicated by the fact that LaRouche did begin to spout racist words after 2007/2008, and they were all aimed at Obama)

quote:
What specifically is it that you wish to educate/inform the peanut gallery about? Its a Free For All...I put you over here to give you a topic to run with. Is Theo wrong about Larouche or is this issue bigger than Larouche??

I think it is bigger than LaRouche.

Much bigger.

The whole LaRouche story gets to corruption in the media and the political party nomination process.


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Thugpreacha
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Message 7 of 7 (860500)
08-08-2019 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by LamarkNewAge
08-08-2019 12:55 AM


EvC discussion.I edited your topic name.
I think it is bigger than LaRouche.

Much bigger.

The whole LaRouche story gets to corruption in the media and the political party nomination process.

OK. I edited the title of this thread, as a favor to you since your topics can become convoluted and scattered. Lets focus on corruption in the media and the political nomination process. Does that sound fair?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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