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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Our knowledge, however, of what does exist - is based on what we've rationally tested in reality. Is this not tautologous?"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile writes: This, I agree with.As long as we agree the context for "It is irrational..." aligns with "...according to our best understood method for 'knowing things.'" The irrationality of the belief in God is still a ongoing debate though and atheist evidentialist will never concede the opposing view that it is not irrational. Get in line this debate has been going on for some time. As I said, you can say "You know God does not exist." And you can say "You know other universes do not exist." But do you really?"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile writes: Uh Yes is kinda does. Debating" something doesn't mean it's actually in contention.debate /d’bt/ Learn to pronounce verb gerund or present participle: debating argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner. "the board debated his proposal" synonyms: discuss, confer about, talk over, talk through, talk about, exchange views on, exchange views about, thrash out, argue, argue about, argue the pros and cons of, dispute, wrangle over, bandy words concerning, contend over,contest, controvert, moot; informalkick around/about, bat around/about; archaicaltercate "the board debated his proposal" I can do this for all things we know to exist. 100% of them. That is because you are a evidentalist atheist who believes that the belief in God is irrational.Can't do it for God. The number three is something that exist only in our minds. If I ask you to show me the number 3 you can show me three things etc.. and what the concept of 3 is.But you can not show me 3. What if God is like that? Can you show me evidence of a idea? Ideas exist do they not. What if God is like that? There are concepts of multidimensional spaces that fundamental elements and forces could be manifesting our very reality in. They can not be comprehended by the human mind and yet they these dimentions may exist. Could God be like this? I do not know, but there is room in my universe for the possibility. IMO, the scientific method is the best way to gain knowledge since it has no agenda, or mission. Science adjust as new facts and theories come to light. Yet some things are just guesses based on nothing more than "If this where true it would explain XYZ." Yet some folks are so dogmatic in their non-belief that God is irrational and hence meaningless to consider.I know that the fictional myth of Santa Clause does not exist. And I know the fictional myth of God does not exist. But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about something more than fiction. Those are bronze age beliefs trying to describe something that may defy description. Yes it could be just a irrational delusion. You could be right Stile. But I do not know you are."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Stile writes: I know that God does not exist. And what about other universes? Do you know they do not exist? Hmmm. Do you believe we could be living in a holographic universe where the duality of waves and particles are reconciled by all of space and volume . We literally do not exist except as a reflection. If I told you there could be such tech, that the Matrix idea could actually be carried out given enough computing power. Could you tell me that is not the case? How would you know? Could some super intelligent aliens be having a laugh? If I told you that this reality you think you are living is like a DVD and every possible scenario that you think is happening has already been concluded which is why the wave function in the double slit experiment can collapses every time into the exact thing it does not based on a observer but because there are no alternative, no multiverse and no free will either. It is all a illusion. How do you know that is not correct. If I told you that the fundamental forces that manifest this universe are planke's size strings vibrating in 11 dimensions fulminating everything that exist. But mention a God and everybody gets ohhh that is to far fetched. lmao."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Well, we do have evidence that at least one universe can exist.
Of all the things you have said this is the most convincing. Touche'How much evidence do we have that at least one God can exist? This is the difference. However scientist do not even know what 95 percent of the universe is.Think about that. All that you think you know that there is evidence for and only 5 percent of what comprises our universe is known. That is a pretty big question mark Stile. I get what you are saying though, it does come down to whether or not belief is rational or not. And as long as there are scientist and philosophers that are on both sides there will be debate. You can say you know that God does not exist. I will go along with Pascal. I found this story to be interesting.Once Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn’t know he was Zhuang Zhou. Suddenly he woke up, and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn’t know if he were Zhuang Zhou who had dreamed he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he was Zhuang Zhou. BBC Earth | Home Scientists Have Created The Largest Ever Virtual Universe Inside a Supercomputer : ScienceAlert Edited by 1.61803, : few links"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I don't need to find solace anywhere.
Not even from your new PM and Brexit?? Not even a nice cuppa can provide solice for that i bet. Edited by 1.61803, : proved to provide"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Bells inequalities violates the speed of light speed limit and experimentally verified.
reality is not something that those who think they know wtf they are talking about is in the bag. 97 percent of what we know about our own universe is a question mark. Despite everything we think we know, we know shit. So get in line about saying" I know god does not exist." You do not even know the most basic fundamental crux of what comprises our own universe or how reality is manifested on a quantum level. I do not know how many angels can dance on the head of pin but there is enough room in my universe to consider that something fantastical and "majick" could be beyond my human ability to comprehend it. Yes of course I agree the mythos part of god and gods is antiquated. God if it does exist will be the ultimate explanation. Why dismiss it because we are only beginning to understand. I do not believe someone who says they know god exist no more than I believe someone who says they know it does not. I am biased and a cultural Catholic so of course my opinon is tainted. I just feel it is a bit presumptuous to claim complete knowlege of something that is in such contention because your bar for knowing is the lack of evidence that is subjective and can not be scientifically verified and yet something like Bells inequalities that is scientifically verified is ludicrous and yet accepted. (been at the pub today.) Quantum Theory and Common Sense - Tim Maudlin » IAI TV https://qudev.phys.ethz.ch/...tions/QSIT-BellsInequality.pdf"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
You’re right either speed c is exceeded or something is wrong with our understanding in regards to Bells theory and hence our understanding of how our quantum world operates.your also right thatGod doesn’t exist scientifically but religiously. I can have both if I so choose. I meant bar but pub has a friendly ring to it imo
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Stile writes: I get the impression that Ringo and you are possibly talking about two completely different things. Or change the definition of "God" to something that could be behind Dark Matter - with no rational reason to do so. Thanks for proving my point, again. God does not exist scientifically. In other words, in science something is said to exist if observations match predictions. In terms of God science has nothing to offer since there is no way to even begin to test something that by definition defies being scrutinized using the scientific method. Why because as you have pointed out God does not exist , (scientifically). It is a moot point. God is a religious/philosophical concept and in that framework does exist.And as Ringo has pointed out there can be no proofs for the existence or non existence of a thing, only evidence that can be either evaluated or not. And since there is no physical evidence to evaluate, scientist do not have anything to make predictions on let alone the ability to test them. So you are both right and both wrong. And round and around this apparent paradox we go. Just my opinion. Can science prove the existence of God? | by Ethan Siegel | Starts With A Bang! | Medium"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1524 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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