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Theodoric
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Message 438 of 953 (859577)
08-01-2019 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by Hyroglyphx
07-31-2019 11:12 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
and most of the homeless population refuses to live there because it is, among other things, rampant with violence, inundated by drug use, rapes are routine, and infested with parasites. It has not moved the needle one iota with their give them a fish for the day rather than teaching them to fish mentality. In fact, the homeless population has increased ten-fold.
Care to provide data or sources? I am sorry, you do not have a great track record of accurately representing the truth. This could be very accurate, but right now it is just assertions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 439 of 953 (859579)
08-01-2019 3:58 PM
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07-31-2019 11:12 PM


Homelessness is a crisis that must be addressed
It looks like Austin city council is not only aware of the isues but are actively working to address them.
quote:
The Austin Resource Center for the Homeless (ARCH) at Seventh and Neches streets Downtown is transforming its operations and reducing its bed count from 165 to about 130. Going forward, the ARCH will no longer be a drop-in shelter; clients will need to be referred from other service providers, and engage in case management aimed at placing them in housing, in order to stay there.
With fewer beds at the ARCH, Front Steps, the nonprofit that runs the city-owned shelter, can bring in more case managers to work with those clients and offer services that are individualized to meet their specific needs. Someone exiting the criminal justice system may need assistance with getting an ID; someone else may need support in battling a crippling addiction; another may need extensive job training to put them into a position where they can bring in a stable income. Someone else may have been laid off and just needs a place to stay for a week or two until they can find work and get back on their feet. "We need our shelters to meet people where they are on the spectrum of homelessness," Briseo said. "If we put people in an environment they are not ready for, they are less likely to be successful."
How Austin Is Tackling Homelessness on the Street and at City Hall: More shelters, more beds, and more fights about ordinances ahead - News - The Austin Chronicle
quote:
"We did a 30-day pilot, it's been almost two years ago now, where we had APD here for 24 hours a day for one month and there was probably a reduction of 50 to 60% of just sheer numbers of individuals outside and the violence went down dramatically," McCormack said.
ARCH location has become 'difficult place' for shelter to be, says Front Steps
Pretending people do not exist does not make them go away.
What is your solution to this issue?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 453 of 953 (859657)
08-02-2019 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:35 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
It is not illegal. What about it do you think is illegal?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 487 of 953 (859894)
08-04-2019 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Hyroglyphx
08-04-2019 1:50 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
You do realize donnie was attacking a black congressman when he referred to Baltmore as rat infested, don't you?
Sam Harris is hardly a credible person to talk about racism. He is an alt right and white supremacist enabler. His rants against the concept of white privilege and his embrace of Milos shows that. I find it funny that a person that claims to not be alt right continually puts forth alt right arguments and sources. It must be tough not having the convictions of your beliefs.
Oh yeah you really should follow forum rules. You consistently post bare links. If you want to discuss the podcast than summarize the "salient points" and we can discuss them. If you are not willing to do that you should remove the link from your post. I am not going to give Sam the benefit of a click.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 491 of 953 (859898)
08-04-2019 1:27 PM
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08-04-2019 12:21 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
About Sam Harris?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 492 of 953 (859899)
08-04-2019 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Phat
08-04-2019 12:43 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Milo Yiannopoulos - Wikipedia
Alt-right provocateur

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 496 of 953 (859908)
08-04-2019 2:06 PM
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08-04-2019 1:32 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
It was not a bare link and I was providing information that was specifically asked for.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 528 of 953 (860023)
08-05-2019 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 526 by Tangle
08-05-2019 3:08 AM


Sam Harris
Rationalwiki does a good job looking at Harris and his views.
Sam Harris - RationalWiki
Some quick examples from rational wiki.
quote:
In a podcast with Douglas Murray, Milo Yiannopoulos came up for discussion. Harris said "the Milo I've seen is very far from being a Neo-Nazi or someone whose attitudes are truly of the right. That's probably not an accident, he's flamboyantly gay and half Jewish, so I don't know how right wing he could be in the end."[45] While pedantically true that someone who is gay, Jewish, and understands the first thing about Nazi ideology likely wouldn't support it, you can still be a Right Wing Nut Job without being a Nazi per se, so either Harris is remarkably unaware of Milo's history as an alt-right Breitbart editor, or he's got a very limited idea of what counts as "far-right wing".
quote:
Sam Harris has seriously considered racial science and the concept of race determining intelligence [36]. Harris invited Charles Murray onto his podcast in 2017 to discuss his widely criticized book 'The Bell Curve'. Critics have claimed Harris simply failed to ask any challenging or skeptical question of Murray and presented him as the 'victim of a politically-correct moral panic'[37]. Harris said that Murray was "the intellectual who was treated most unfairly in my lifetime."
quote:
saying that feminists must "agitate" and fight against Muslim oppression of women rather than focus so much on abortion rights at home.[39] Harris admonishes Western feminists to instead join him against his primary obsession: the sexually repressive artifacts of Islamic culture.[40] Harris claimed in a podcast[41] with Kyle Kulinski that Western feminists "spend more time complaining about Gamergate" than actually pushing for women's rights.
Harris also seems to think he can whitesplain racism to blacks. HIs arguments are laid bare to show how utterly crass they are.
What Sam Harris Gets Wrong About Racism And Violence In America | HuffPost Voices
Though Harris may not be alt right but he certainly is an enabler and does not seem willing to criticize their views.
This is not something I just dreamed up. Others have come to this conclusion also.
The Alt-Right's Relationship with the Sceptic Community - The Freethink Tank
quote:
Even though most of these people would deny being a part of the alt-right, the usual line being that they are advocates of facts, not politics — they, intentionally or not, do court the alt-right movement. They offer legitimacy and support for their ideas and fuel for the movement.
From the Enlightenment to the Dark Ages: How "new atheism" slid into the alt-right | Salon.com
A good look at how new atheism is closely aligned with the alt right.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 544 of 953 (860104)
08-05-2019 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Tangle
08-05-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Sam Harris
Sam Harris is not a liberal. He holds some liberal positions but he is not a liberal. He has said and published many things that are extremely right wing.
Yes he has built up a reputation of a defender of science and critical thinking when in reality his beliefs and comments belie that. His support of Milos and Charles Murray show a very white supremacist regressive thought pattern. Things that are not supported by science.
Just because he is anti-trump does not make him a liberal. Just because he is not an anti-Semite does not make him a liberal. His ideas and views about islam, racism, transgender and women are not supported by science.
Sam Harris can best be described as a reactionary. He can call him self liberal or on the left all day long, but he is in fact a reactionary.
quote:
How about if Harris were to admit to his center-Right position and struggle to draw the looney conservatives a bit leftward, rather than falsely claiming to be a Leftist in order to pull progressives to the Right? He might actually do some good for a change.
“We on the left”: Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and Tucker Carlson
There are plenty of people exposing Harris for his right wing tendencies. You might want to look around and see what they have to say.
More critiques.
Excellent critique of Sam Harris
Sam Harris’ Epic Transphobic Fail – Queereka
He may defend evidence based thinking but he does not take it into account personally it seems.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 551 of 953 (860380)
08-07-2019 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 550 by Phat
08-07-2019 10:15 AM


Re: Conservative Racism and White Privilege
Great book. I suggest it to all my friends. Few are willing to read it. I applaud you.
This subject is weird but very close to me. I have 1 1/2 feet in the traditional white world and 1/2 a foot in the hispanic/latinx world. I also have a teenage african brother-in-law that lives in our household. Here in NW Wisconsin we see and hear racism all the time.
As the white supremacists get more and more riled up by this President and his supporters we live more and more in a state of concern and a fear of violence. I have a spanish last name. There are more and reports of families with spanish last names being targeted by white supremacist thugs.
We are starting to plan an exit strategy if things get worse. That means leaving the country. I cannot live in a place where my family is threatened. Our initial plan will be to head to Canada and probably Europe from there. As my wife is an MD we will be in a much better position to find asylum than many others. Yes, I as an US citizen am starting to make plans in case my family needs to seek asylum.
I know a few minority families that are also laying the groundwork to leave.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 584 of 953 (860781)
08-11-2019 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by AZPaul3
08-11-2019 7:25 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
Most people would at least to a hard look at their views if Faith supported them. But when you are hard right you really have no choice but go along with Faith.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 589 of 953 (860800)
08-12-2019 8:34 AM
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08-11-2019 11:30 PM


Re: The Nazis Are Coming.
You speak as if Harris and Gabbard are some sort of liberal stalwarts. That you think they are liberals shows how far right you are. Both of them have some liberal stances, but this just shows that people are not easily pigeon holed and no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Looking at all of their stances and statements I would put both of them as center right. I have already posted about the illiberal, right wing beliefs of Sam Harris. Tulsi Gabbard has had and continues to make illiberal statements. She has been closely associated with hindu nationalists and and seems to have an affinity for right strong men.
Tulsi Gabbard Is Rising Star, Despite Hindu Nationalist Support

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 594 of 953 (860824)
08-12-2019 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 592 by Hyroglyphx
08-12-2019 11:35 AM


Maybe you should address responses to assertions you have made
I was called Alt-Right by AZPaul because of the videos I posted.
But that isn't what AZPaul said is it?
Let's look at what he actually said.
AZPaul writes:
Pervasive enough they have you posting their propaganda pieces here at EvC ... twice.
And we're small stuff compared to the rest of the internet. That's quite a reach.
Message 568
He made no mention that it was the Sam Harris or Tulsi Gabbard videos, or that it was videos at all. This seems to be another attempt by you to build a strawman. You have a tendency to make assertions and then when you are questioned on them you build strawman arguments and then quit responding when you are shown facts that do not support your right wing talking points.
Maybe you should ask AZPaul what the propaganda pieces are. I have a good idea but I may have different things in mind than he does. A number of us are waiting for reply's from you on a number of things you have asserted.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 596 of 953 (860851)
08-12-2019 2:56 PM
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08-12-2019 12:33 PM


Re: Maybe you should address responses to assertions you have made
That was one of the examples of where he tried a few straw man arguments and then just quit responding. That is one of the many arguments that he has had where he just presented assertions and propaganda and never backed it up with facts.
He gave up on the Seattle is Dying crap after I showed his sources were biased and right wing propaganda outfits. The actual data did not support his claims. If he had data to support him, I would think he would present it. Also, I am still waiting for his solution to the homeless crisis. He harshly condemns how the homeless crisis is being handled in Austin, but never provided any sources for the claims he made and when I showed that Austin was aware that things needed improvement and were working for this there was no response. I asked what his solution for the issue was. I guess attacking is in his playbook, but trying to resolve issues is beyond his interests.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 598 of 953 (860854)
08-12-2019 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by Hyroglyphx
08-12-2019 3:04 PM


Re: Maybe you should address responses to assertions you have made
and makes salient points
But everything you presented was shown to not be true. Just because a point is salient does not make it true. All it means is that it is important in someone's eyes. What you attempted to present as evidence for these "salient" points, it was shown not to support your claims at all.
You presented an Amnesty International report as evidence to support this assertion.
Hyroglyphx writes:
In many instances the refugees they took in are not only refusing to assimilate, increasing crime to unprecedented levels, but is changing the landscape of Swedish culture and making it resemble the failed state they're escaping from. They're also so terrified of being viewed as racists that the government in many instances buries reports of rape.
When in fact the Amnesty International report makes absolutely no mention of immigrants or even religion. As a matter of fact the report makes it clear that this has been a long time issue in Nordic countries, prior to the current influx of refugees and immigrants. It is a home grown problem, people like you want to foist on brown people. Maybe you should actually read the report you wanted to use to support your right wing lies.
Here is the report. Care to show me how you got "the immigrants did it" from this report?
Case closed: Rape and human rights in the Nordic countries: Summary report - Amnesty International
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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