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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
and most of the homeless population refuses to live there because it is, among other things, rampant with violence, inundated by drug use, rapes are routine, and infested with parasites. It has not moved the needle one iota with their give them a fish for the day rather than teaching them to fish mentality. In fact, the homeless population has increased ten-fold.
Care to provide data or sources? I am sorry, you do not have a great track record of accurately representing the truth. This could be very accurate, but right now it is just assertions.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
It looks like Austin city council is not only aware of the isues but are actively working to address them.
quote: How Austin Is Tackling Homelessness on the Street and at City Hall: More shelters, more beds, and more fights about ordinances ahead - News - The Austin Chronicle
quote: ARCH location has become 'difficult place' for shelter to be, says Front Steps Pretending people do not exist does not make them go away. What is your solution to this issue? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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It is not illegal. What about it do you think is illegal?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
You do realize donnie was attacking a black congressman when he referred to Baltmore as rat infested, don't you?
Sam Harris is hardly a credible person to talk about racism. He is an alt right and white supremacist enabler. His rants against the concept of white privilege and his embrace of Milos shows that. I find it funny that a person that claims to not be alt right continually puts forth alt right arguments and sources. It must be tough not having the convictions of your beliefs. Oh yeah you really should follow forum rules. You consistently post bare links. If you want to discuss the podcast than summarize the "salient points" and we can discuss them. If you are not willing to do that you should remove the link from your post. I am not going to give Sam the benefit of a click.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
About Sam Harris?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Milo Yiannopoulos - Wikipedia
Alt-right provocateur Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
It was not a bare link and I was providing information that was specifically asked for.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Rationalwiki does a good job looking at Harris and his views.
Sam Harris - RationalWiki Some quick examples from rational wiki.
quote: quote: quote: Harris also seems to think he can whitesplain racism to blacks. HIs arguments are laid bare to show how utterly crass they are.What Sam Harris Gets Wrong About Racism And Violence In America | HuffPost Voices Though Harris may not be alt right but he certainly is an enabler and does not seem willing to criticize their views. This is not something I just dreamed up. Others have come to this conclusion also.The Alt-Right's Relationship with the Sceptic Community - The Freethink Tank quote:From the Enlightenment to the Dark Ages: How "new atheism" slid into the alt-right | Salon.com A good look at how new atheism is closely aligned with the alt right. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Sam Harris is not a liberal. He holds some liberal positions but he is not a liberal. He has said and published many things that are extremely right wing.
Yes he has built up a reputation of a defender of science and critical thinking when in reality his beliefs and comments belie that. His support of Milos and Charles Murray show a very white supremacist regressive thought pattern. Things that are not supported by science.Just because he is anti-trump does not make him a liberal. Just because he is not an anti-Semite does not make him a liberal. His ideas and views about islam, racism, transgender and women are not supported by science. Sam Harris can best be described as a reactionary. He can call him self liberal or on the left all day long, but he is in fact a reactionary. quote:“We on the left”: Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and Tucker Carlson There are plenty of people exposing Harris for his right wing tendencies. You might want to look around and see what they have to say.More critiques. Excellent critique of Sam Harris Sam Harris’ Epic Transphobic Fail – Queereka He may defend evidence based thinking but he does not take it into account personally it seems.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Great book. I suggest it to all my friends. Few are willing to read it. I applaud you.
This subject is weird but very close to me. I have 1 1/2 feet in the traditional white world and 1/2 a foot in the hispanic/latinx world. I also have a teenage african brother-in-law that lives in our household. Here in NW Wisconsin we see and hear racism all the time. As the white supremacists get more and more riled up by this President and his supporters we live more and more in a state of concern and a fear of violence. I have a spanish last name. There are more and reports of families with spanish last names being targeted by white supremacist thugs. We are starting to plan an exit strategy if things get worse. That means leaving the country. I cannot live in a place where my family is threatened. Our initial plan will be to head to Canada and probably Europe from there. As my wife is an MD we will be in a much better position to find asylum than many others. Yes, I as an US citizen am starting to make plans in case my family needs to seek asylum. I know a few minority families that are also laying the groundwork to leave. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Most people would at least to a hard look at their views if Faith supported them. But when you are hard right you really have no choice but go along with Faith.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
You speak as if Harris and Gabbard are some sort of liberal stalwarts. That you think they are liberals shows how far right you are. Both of them have some liberal stances, but this just shows that people are not easily pigeon holed and no two people have the exact same beliefs.
Looking at all of their stances and statements I would put both of them as center right. I have already posted about the illiberal, right wing beliefs of Sam Harris. Tulsi Gabbard has had and continues to make illiberal statements. She has been closely associated with hindu nationalists and and seems to have an affinity for right strong men. Tulsi Gabbard Is Rising Star, Despite Hindu Nationalist Support Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I was called Alt-Right by AZPaul because of the videos I posted.
But that isn't what AZPaul said is it?Let's look at what he actually said. AZPaul writes:
Message 568 Pervasive enough they have you posting their propaganda pieces here at EvC ... twice.And we're small stuff compared to the rest of the internet. That's quite a reach. He made no mention that it was the Sam Harris or Tulsi Gabbard videos, or that it was videos at all. This seems to be another attempt by you to build a strawman. You have a tendency to make assertions and then when you are questioned on them you build strawman arguments and then quit responding when you are shown facts that do not support your right wing talking points. Maybe you should ask AZPaul what the propaganda pieces are. I have a good idea but I may have different things in mind than he does. A number of us are waiting for reply's from you on a number of things you have asserted.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
That was one of the examples of where he tried a few straw man arguments and then just quit responding. That is one of the many arguments that he has had where he just presented assertions and propaganda and never backed it up with facts.
He gave up on the Seattle is Dying crap after I showed his sources were biased and right wing propaganda outfits. The actual data did not support his claims. If he had data to support him, I would think he would present it. Also, I am still waiting for his solution to the homeless crisis. He harshly condemns how the homeless crisis is being handled in Austin, but never provided any sources for the claims he made and when I showed that Austin was aware that things needed improvement and were working for this there was no response. I asked what his solution for the issue was. I guess attacking is in his playbook, but trying to resolve issues is beyond his interests.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
and makes salient points
But everything you presented was shown to not be true. Just because a point is salient does not make it true. All it means is that it is important in someone's eyes. What you attempted to present as evidence for these "salient" points, it was shown not to support your claims at all.You presented an Amnesty International report as evidence to support this assertion. Hyroglyphx writes:
When in fact the Amnesty International report makes absolutely no mention of immigrants or even religion. As a matter of fact the report makes it clear that this has been a long time issue in Nordic countries, prior to the current influx of refugees and immigrants. It is a home grown problem, people like you want to foist on brown people. Maybe you should actually read the report you wanted to use to support your right wing lies. In many instances the refugees they took in are not only refusing to assimilate, increasing crime to unprecedented levels, but is changing the landscape of Swedish culture and making it resemble the failed state they're escaping from. They're also so terrified of being viewed as racists that the government in many instances buries reports of rape.Here is the report. Care to show me how you got "the immigrants did it" from this report? Case closed: Rape and human rights in the Nordic countries: Summary report - Amnesty International Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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