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Message 516 of 653 (860796)
08-12-2019 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 511 by Percy
08-11-2019 9:10 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Assuming your computer is a Mac with bluetooth then you just use AirDrop to transfer files back and forth to an iPhone.
Very bad assumption. The only half-way good experience I've ever had with a Mac was only because I used the BSD core and knew TCP/IP. Even at that, I had to dig deep to even find where Apple had tried to hide the shell (AKA "Terminal"). It was even harder to find the text editor. Now, what kind of POS computer would go to such extremes to hide the shell and the text editor? That just boggles the computer professional's mind.
If you have Windows then I guess you're stuck with iTunes. I've never tried it with my own Windows machine. What made it traumatic?
Of course I use Windows. As I said in Message 503:
DWise1 writes:
I'm a retired software engineer and during the last 31 years of my 36-year career I worked with MS-DOS and Windows systems plus some Linux. During that time helping family members, I had only one OK experience with Macs and that was only because I knew some TCP/IP and UNIX and could set the eMac up as an FTP server (he had overwritten his new printer drivers with the old OS9 drivers, so I downloaded the new driver from hP, but it was too big for USB drives at the time and the only way to get it into his eMac was via FTP) and all the others were horrific. Engineers I was working with whose spouses had insisted on a Mac at home had similar horror stories of trying to help her with her Mac. Our consensus was that Apples are meant for people who don't know how to use computers and not for people who do.
So if I had an iPhone I'd have to use iTunes? Well that settles that for good, then!
iTunes didn't make any sense. I knew what I needed to do, but I had to search through drop-down menus whose menu items offered no clue what they led to. Then the sequence of operations was so cumbersome. And to make matters worse, one of the weekly updates took away the detailed view leaving us nothing but the big-icon view without even any way to sort it -- absolutely unusable. The next update returned the detailed view and I have absolutely refused to accept any further update from then on. I have also stopped even trying to use iTunes for the past few years, choosing to charge my iPod Nano from another computer.

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Message 519 of 653 (860857)
08-12-2019 4:09 PM
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08-12-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
I'm sorry you've had negative experiences with Mac, but I don't think this is a fair characterization.
It is what it is. And I have learned from those experiences to opt out. I do still like my iPod Nano. I loved the "click wheel" and was disappointed with my cable TV remote for not having such a useful feature. In my opinion, getting rid of the click wheel was a big mistake. When the battery in my iPod Nano finally dies, I hope I can still find a replacement for it on amazon.
"TextEdit" and "Terminal" are both in the Applications directory, (though "Terminal" is actually in Applications/Utilities). They aren't hidden.
Maybe now they're not, but they certainly were on the first-gen iMac nearly two decades ago, which is what I'm talking about. Like in that video I've offered, Why I don't use Apple products (don't know why the embedding doesn't work), he had gotten an iPhone to replace his BlackBerry on which he could copy and paste only to discovered that the iPhone didn't support copy-and-paste. Even though it does support that now doesn't mean that his statement and complaint are wrong because it didn't at the time he's talking about.
I'm not a Mac bigot. I use Linux for development and Windows for home type things like finance and email. I only started using Mac a few years ago when I started programming in Swift. Seems fine, and I like that my MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone are all automatically in sync with texting, phoning, FaceTiming, music and photos.
So the main benefits you get from iStuff is playing around, plus developing ways of playing around, while your actual productive work is with non-Apple systems. And hasn't that been my main point? That when I want to get something done iStuff wouldn't do the job. Plus all my decades of training, knowledge, and experience would just get thrown out the window, because with iStuff I'd have to relearn how to do everything (and in an illogical manner, which would add insult to injury). Why would I want that?
Converting the US to the metric system would be a possible analogy. I know the metric system and like it much more than the US system. A couple quotes I collected for my upcoming page on the subject:
quote:
In the 2014 American-Swedish sit-com,
Welcome to Sweden, an American's Swedish fiancée is giving him directions over the phone:
She: Go 200 meters and turn right.
He: What's a meter?
She: It's like a yard only much more logical.

From Jerry Seinfeld's Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, Christoph Waltz shopping in a Santa Monica hardware store for a measuring tape:
Waltz: I am trying to find something in centimeters.
Seinfeld: Why?
Waltz: Why? Because inches don't make sense.

In high school and college I worked part-time in construction. Every single time I had to take a measurement in 1/32 and 1/64 of an inch, I had to do fraction arithmetic in my head -- maybe if I had worked with those measurements every day I would have eventually memorized them, but needless to say I had to do the math every single time. First day on the job in Germany I was given a Meterstock and told to take a measurement and it was so incredibly easy. Then learning the simple equivalency based on water of the metric units of length, volume, and mass eliminated the need to track down an esoteric conversion table to solve certain problems (eg, how much water would a tank of certain dimensions contain and how much would it weigh?): 1 cubic centimeter is 1 milliliter and 1 ml water is 1 gram. Recently I handed a bag of 4 500-ml bottles of water to a friend just out of the hospital (so she was limited in how much she could lift) and she asked me how heavy it was: 2 liters of water is 2 kg which is about 4.4 lb, so I immediately told her that it was nearly but less than 5 lb, which was her limit. Also in physics class working in the MKS or cgs systems was very clean and straightforward, but the US foot-pound-second system was a cumbersome mess. Simple calculations and simple conversions, unlike the mess which is the US system.
So I am in favor of the US finally converting to the metric system, but I am also aware of some of the problems. Mainly, we have grown up being able to visualize the length, size, and heft of objects based on the US system, so that converting to metric would require us to learn those estimation skills all over again (like converting from real computers to Macs would require us to junk all our existing skills and require us to learn new ones). Also, there are certain set measurements that all tradesmen and bakers and cooks have learned and use every day at work which would either have to be converted and re-learned or else require a second set of special measurements in addition to metric. A third problem is in the transition when someone makes a mistake converting or using the wrong system of measurements and you end up with a Gimli Glider or a crashed spacecraft on Mars.
The last two might not apply to switching to iStuff, but the first one should. Switching to iStuff requires forgetting almost everything we have ever learned about using a computer and learning an entirely new system. Outside that analogy are the additional problems that iStuff is not as useful and productive and it operates within an isolated environment, so we go through all that trouble in order to get less.
An example is my friend's and my recent trips to Europe. Before the first trip, she got an iPad to use mainly for taking photos and was constantly cursing the estupido thing all the way across Austria and Germany. When we returned, we exchanged photos (she took about 10 times more than I did). Before the second trip (northern Italy) she got an iPhone X which seemed to work well, though she also still had the iPad and still cursed it. However, upon returning from that trip, we could not exchange photos because the iPhone now uses a proprietary graphic format that can only display on an iStuff device that's new enough to support that format. She can't even view those photos on her Windows 10 laptop without special third-party conversion software.

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Message 520 of 653 (860858)
08-12-2019 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by PaulK
08-10-2019 3:16 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Probably - but the Liquid Retina screen is just a very good LCD. I doubt that a good OLED screen is worse though, or Apple wouldn’t use them.
One of the problems with not being in the market is that they keep coming up with buzzwords that don't make any sense unless you've been in the market.
I kept hearing "Liquid Retina" associated with recent iPhones, so that's all I knew to ask about. I hadn't heard of OLED before this discussion.
Now in looking at a comparision table on Wikipedia (which I cannot find again right now), I saw that the iPhone X uses an OLED display.

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Message 521 of 653 (860860)
08-12-2019 4:57 PM
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08-11-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
I was a loyal Windows Phone user until I broke the screen on my Lumia 950. It is still the best phone I ever had.
A vibrant sub-industry in entertainment is product placement in which a show or movie displays and uses a product as a form of embedded advertising. In US movies and TV, almost every personal computer, laptop, tablet, or smartphone you ever see being used is a Mac, an iPad, or an iPhone. If that was all that you had to go by, you would think that everybody in the US uses Apple products and that none of their competitors exist.
But then in foreign productions, I can't say that I've ever seen an Apple product being used in product placement (I could be wrong, so anyone please correct me). In particular, in the French series, Marseille, all the computers used Windows 10 and all the smartphones were Windows phones.
Before the product placement opportunities, Apple did their own version by donating computers to schools. Their reasoning was that if you raise the children on Apple computers, then they will grow up to be Apple using adults. But what happened instead was that those kids grew up to be adults working for companies that used Microsoft software almost exclusively, so those kids had to learn how to use real computers and so the computers they bought for themselves were the must more reasonable ones compatible with what they used at work.
It might be interesting to see what the actual international market share figures are by country/region.

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Message 522 of 653 (860862)
08-12-2019 5:15 PM
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08-12-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
DWise1 writes:
So if I had an iPhone I'd have to use iTunes?
As I said, I've never used iTunes for communicating with a phone - I assumed you were correct that iTunes was the only alternative.
Huh? I was responding to what I thought was you saying that iTunes was how the iPhone was supposed to connect. Guess I misunderstood you.
From what I understood talking with the genius at the Apple Store, there would be a program that I'd have to install on my Win10 box that would synchronize all the files -- that might be what Theodoric meant by a "launcher" (Message 512). Such a program came with my first smartphone, an Android, and I ran it only the one time and avoided it like the plague thereafter. It loaded things onto my phone that I did not want it to and it diddled with my hard disk without my consent and in ways which I most definitely did not like. And if that's the kind of "user friendly" experience that Apple offers, then I will most definitely opt out.

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Message 523 of 653 (860864)
08-12-2019 5:27 PM
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08-11-2019 10:26 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
One thing I like about Android phones is that you can use different launchers. I use the Microsoft Launcher. In a sense it is what Windows phone may have been. Still not a Windows phone but kinda close.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I am (or was, since it's been more than a couple decades) very familiar with the MS-DOS loader and launcher process for an EXE file. But if I want to run an app on the phone, then I just tap the icon for that app. Why would I need to have anything running on my computer for that?
Are you talking about a program that would "sync up" my phone to my computer? I had that with my first phone, an Android, and it just crudely had its way with my hard drive without my consent. If I were to go with an iPhone then that is the kind of situation I would be forced into and that is one big reason to choose against an iPhone. Diddle me once, shame on you; diddle me twice, shame on me.

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Message 525 of 653 (860867)
08-12-2019 5:32 PM
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08-12-2019 5:28 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
OK, that makes sense now. I'll keep it in mind.

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Message 527 of 653 (860885)
08-12-2019 9:37 PM
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08-12-2019 7:27 PM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
That would't be close to accurate, but never mind. Maybe Apple stuff really isn't for you, but the information you're basing your opinion on may be a bit dated.
Wisdom gained is still wisdom. And the main thing I learned is that Apple doesn't play well with others outside its ecosystem.
This is just a setting. She should go to Settings>Camera>Formats and select Most Compatible. Now any new photos she takes will be JPEG's.
Really? What page of the manual is that on? Oh yeah, there is no manual!
And in the meantime an entire vacation's worth of photos are unusable. Wow, how more user-friendly could you get than that?
But I will pass that tip on to her. Thanks for that.

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Message 529 of 653 (860891)
08-13-2019 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by Percy
08-13-2019 12:11 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
Passed that tip on to her. Thanks.
By "upon transfer" do you mean whatever synching program they have you load on your computer? She normally uses a USB drive to transfer files, the same one she used with her iPad since the OS ate up so much memory there was little space left for her photos. And just as she'd be in the middle of taking a photo, the USB drive app would pop up; that was the usual cause of her more vociferous cursing.
We had a similar experience navigating with her iPhone. She didn't like the resident map app and so loaded another and used it instead (the Google one?). It worked great, even to the point of telling us which turnoff to take from a roundabout (eg, first, second, third, or fourth). But then her battery would go low and she had to plug it into the USB cable to recharge. And suddenly her play list would start to play on the car's radio. I diagnosed it as the phone's attitude that it "knows what we want better than we ourselves do", so every time you plug it into the car it always assumes you want to start playing your music. Maybe there's a setting to change that, but in the middle of a roundabout is not the time nor place to search for it like a clue in a fecking video game.
I have to admit I have a poor attitude about computers that want to be helpful. Before Windows 95, the Navy had its NIK (Navy Internet Kit) which either included or depended on the Winsock16 DLL. The Navy kept mandating not to buy any Windows 95 computers until they had checked it out completely, but it finally reached a point where the only new computers you could buy were Windows 95. So the admiral got his new computer, a 32-bit Windows 95 box, and we set up the 16-bit NIK on it, though that required that we replace the system's Winsock32 DLL with the Winsock16 DLL. Everything would work fine for a few days until Windows 95 decided to be helpful and, detecting that we had an old Winsock DLL, automatically updated it with Winsock32. And the admiral could no longer access the Internet with the NIK. So we'd have to reinstate the Winsock16 DLL and a few days later the computer would be helpful again. Finally, I wrote an AUTOEXEC.BAT file that replaced the Winsock DLL with a Winsock16 DLL just to be sure.
18-35 rules the world now, and they need no manuals for these simple things.
They have the time to waste playing with their new toys instead of trying to do something useful. It's like they treat everything like a fecking video game where you search for clues.

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Message 531 of 653 (860896)
08-13-2019 3:20 AM
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08-13-2019 1:54 AM


Re: Need Smartphone Recommendation
There probably is a User Guide in the Books app.
Whatever the feck that is! Did the documentation accompanying the product make any mention of it? Or were you fecking supposed to just know that kind of shite?

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Message 544 of 653 (863057)
09-19-2019 1:31 PM


Speedometer Scales in Different Countries
I'm working on a web page about the problems, both imagined and real, with the USA finally converting to metric (I'm for it, but am mindful of some of the difficulties which I plan to present and discuss on this page).
I am now working on the section in which I offer tips on estimating metric measurements into Amuric'n for visualization purposes. For example, to estimate km into miles you divide km by 10 and multiply by 6 (eg, 100 km/hr -> 60 mph).
For that example, I started to suggest that you simple look at your dual-scale speedometer, which is both in mph and km/hr. But then I realized that they might exist only in the USA (and possibly also in the UK which has switched back miles or so I've heard), but there would be no need for that in Continental Europe. Therefore, I would assume that European cars would only use the km/hr scale on their speedometers.
Given the geographic distribution of our members, I would like to ask for their inputs on this question.

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Message 548 of 653 (863091)
09-19-2019 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by ringo
09-19-2019 5:53 PM


Re: Speedometer Scales in Different Countries
So then Metric Lite .
Looks like you're following the same path that you have done linguistically. English? French? We can't decide, so we'll just do both, n'est pas? (Eng: "eh?")
 
BTW, the USA has already started doing both since the late-70's. Since January 1979 (allowing for implementation delays), we can't buy a fifth of booze anymore. Instead, we buy it in metric: 750 ml (and smaller), 1 l, etc. BTW, 1/5 gallon (a fifth) is 757 ml, so I'm sure there are some 'Muric'ns ready to complain about being cheated out of those 7 ml (about half a fluid oz US).
 
ABE:
I'm certain that you already know the story of the Gimli Glider. It's a tale of what happens when two different systems get used side-by-side (though granted it was during a transition time in 1983).
Basically, the ground crew measured how much fuel was in the wing tanks by using a dip-stick and plugging that into a calculation that translated depth to quantity of fuel. There was one for the old system ("British units"?) and another for metric. The ground crew used the wrong conversion method and ended up not loading enough fuel for the planned flight. In mid-flight, the plane ran out of fuel and the pilots had to fly it like a glider (Captain Pearson was an experienced glider pilot, so he was able to "wing it"). They tried to make it to a nearby airport, but couldn't make it so they chose to land at the abandoned Gimli RCAF base. There was a big neighborhood event in progress with car races on the runway and kids riding their bikes on the runway -- in the 2008 "Gimli Glider" episode of "Air Disasters" (originally titled "Mayday" in Canada), as the plane was coming in, it was the kids on bikes who saw it first and were racing down the runway trying to outrun it:
quote:
Complicating matters yet further was the fact that with both of its engines out, the plane made virtually no noise during its approach. People on the ground thus had no advanced warning of the impromptu landing and little time to flee. As the gliding plane closed in on the decommissioned runway, the pilots noticed that there were two boys riding bicycles within 1,000 feet (300 m) of the projected point of impact. Captain Pearson would later remark that the boys were so close that he could see the looks of sheer terror on their faces as they realized that a commercial airliner was bearing down on them.
Two factors helped avert disaster: the failure of the front landing gear to lock into position during the gravity drop, and the presence of a guardrail that had been installed along the centre of the repurposed runway to facilitate its use as a drag race track. As soon as the wheels touched down on the runway, Pearson braked hard, skidding and promptly blowing out two of the aircraft's tires. The unlocked nose wheel collapsed and was forced back into its well, causing the aircraft's nose to slam into, bounce off, and then scrape along the ground. This additional friction helped to slow the airplane and kept it from careening into the crowds surrounding the runway. After the airliner had touched down, the nose began to scrape along the guardrail in the centre of the race track, creating additional frictional drag that helped to decelerate the plane; Pearson applied extra right brake, which caused the main landing gear to straddle the guardrail. Air Canada Flight 143 came to a final stop on the ground 17 minutes after running out of fuel.
There were no serious injuries among the 61 passengers or the people on the ground. As the aircraft's nose had collapsed onto the ground, its tail was elevated and there were some minor injuries when passengers exited the aircraft via the rear slides, which were not long enough to sufficiently accommodate the increased height. A minor fire in the nose area was extinguished by racers and course workers armed with portable fire extinguishers
The period of transition is when we might expect mistakes. But keeping both systems side-by-side seems to make that danger-zone perpetual.
Edited by dwise1, : ABE: Gimli Glider

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Message 550 of 653 (863093)
09-19-2019 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Theodoric
09-19-2019 8:33 PM


Re: Will look when in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Botswana
I will be in South Africa next week. I will take a look at the rental car.
I've already been saved from the mistake of making a universal statement on the question. But thanks for extra info: The more learning, the more life!
Will be my first experience driving on the opposite side of the road.
Been to the UK a few times, but always as a passenger. Though I have volunteered to ride shot-gun which nobody else in our party (must had been on many of these cruises, many of which departed from the UK, so they knew what was coming).
It can be not only weird but also completely against all that we know about reality. Especially the right turns; you see the driver go for the far lane and you're sure you're about to die.
Also, when my sister (USA) was visiting cousins in Scotland and driving them around, they were constantly afraid that she'd end up in the wrong lane.

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Message 552 of 653 (863096)
09-19-2019 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by Theodoric
09-19-2019 9:28 PM


Re: Will look when in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Botswana
For fun (at least that's how I have fun), learn something about the history of which side of the road was driven on and when.
When I did a UK cruise, our party kept asking why the Brits drive on the "wrong" side, so I wrote a text file explaining it. I had based it largely on a Wikipedia article, which I attributed right properly, which is this one: Left- and right-hand traffic. As you will see for yourself in all the different countries, there is a lot of history involved. A number of countries or regions within countries have changed at different times. Buses and light rail also follow the same conventions, so you can end up having some vestigial systems (eg, the Madrid metro left-sided in a right-sided country).
Especially in Africa, when a colony like Namibia went from German (right-hand drive) to British-ish (left-hand drive).

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Message 557 of 653 (864499)
10-12-2019 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by RAZD
10-10-2019 12:59 PM


Re: A reminder about heating, and power strips
Every electrician and electronics technician and electrical engineer has studied the theory behind this problem as the most basic introductory subject matter in their professions. It's almost like 1+1 is for mathematicians.
Voltage equals current times resistance (E = IR, Ohm's Law) and power (which translates to heat that has to be dissipated) equals voltage times current (P = EI, easy as pie -- though you will have to scroll down in that link).
In a series circuit, all the resistances are lined up along a single path of current flow. There, the voltage (in reference to zero volts) is different at every resistance -- such a setup can be used as a voltage divider. The current is determined by the total resistance, which is the simple sum of all the resistances. That's not what we are talking about here.
In a parallel circuit (which we are talking about), the voltage across every parallel circuit is the same. The current being drawn is still determined by the total resistance, but that is no longer a simple sum -- if you want to see what that is, either research it yourself or message me, but it ends up being less than the smallest resistance of any parallel branch.
To make it simpler for a non-electrical type to understand, take that same voltage across all parallel branches and apply it to all the different resistances of every branch to determine how much current each and every one of them will draw, and add up all those currents to find out how much current all of them will draw. Then multiply that total current by the voltage to see how many Watts of power (AKA "heat") that will generate.
Now, the more parallel circuits you have, the more current they will draw and the more power (AKA "heat") they will generate and that will need to be dissipated. So you have lots of devices plugged into your power strip and you plug another power strip into that with lots of devices plus another power strip, etc. Doing that, you could easily exceed the power rating of your house wiring or at least of the original powerstrip. Now when you plug in devices designed to draw lots of power because their purpose is to heat up a living space, then you are just asking for trouble.
Edited by dwise1, : first paragraph plus mnemonic link

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