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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Actually as I have said before the Amnesty international makes no mention of race, culture or immigration status. None whatsoever.
You accuse me of poisoning the well and say I am making a racial thing out of it? Show me where I have done that. This is another strawman of yours.Please show where the amnesty international report backs up your wild ass assertions. The data represents a clear parallel between immigrants of Middle-Eastern and North African (MENA) descent and a rise in crime ranging from theft to sexual assaults that is disproportionate when compared to previous years of less immigration and when compared to native-born Scandinavians.
The Amnesty international report you presented as evidence sys no such thing. In fact it states that this is a long time problem in the Scandinavian countries with no reference at all to recent immigrants.
Again, we can view this from a racial perspective versus a cultural one.
Another strawman. Bringing up culture is not defense against racism. All cultures except the western European culture are brown and black. You try to sound all high and mighty by saying culture but you are reciting racist tropes because you lump all MENA immigrants into the same category and have yet to provide any evidence that they are the cause of a new rape problem in Sweden. All I want is evidence and facts. Tired of assertions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I tell you what I address some of your strawman arguments. As they are not much better than your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden.
Are you really going to pretend that these poor nations, clinging to traditional, Islamic social mores are integrating well into Western Civilization?
Your source does not support you. You should read the full article and it's conclusions before you assume, because of it's title, that it supports you.
quote: You might want to at least read the full conclusions.Here are some important parts. quote: The same thing is unsurprisingly happening in Nordic countries presently with an influx of MENA immigrants
This Journal article is 22 years old. Do you really think it is still relevant? What does it say? What are the claims the article makes abut islamic immigrants being responsible for an increase in rapes in Sweden? That is what we are discussing. Again you build another strawman argument. How about sticking to your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
From The Guardian:
Fury as Trump ally says poem on Statue of Liberty refers to 'people from Europe' Ken Cuccinelli, the acting director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services, has sparked a new wave of criticism about the promise of US immigration enshrined in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty by saying it was for "people coming from Europe". It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8551 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Yes, Trump hires only the very best racists.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Your source does not support you. You should read the full article and it's conclusions before you assume, because of it's title, that it supports you. Wrong, I read it from stem to stern. The paper was objective, as it should be. You're extracting the parts complimentary to your position. You even quote what I mentioned, that the MENA culture is dominated by patriarchal viewpoints. You later scorned me claiming that distinguishing between race and culture is basically impossible. Bullshit. The article even cites that other migrants from places like Asia or Sub-Sarhan African immigrants were not seeing disproportionate levels of criminality. That's because they're different cultures. This disproves the commonly held view in Western Europe/Norway that the rise in rape cases — or the rape wave — is primarily to be blamed on the MENA immigrant’s influx to Western societies.You might want to at least read the full conclusions. Here are some important parts. This Journal article is 22 years old. Global Politics Review 3, no. 1, April 2017: 61-78 Top of the very first page.
What are the claims the article makes abut islamic immigrants being responsible for an increase in rapes in Sweden? That is what we are discussing. Again you build another strawman argument. How about sticking to your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden. I didn't say, Islam, I said MENA. Islam is a humongous religion that spans several continents and is also nuanced based on cultural differences. And I am sticking to the premise that rapes and even coordinated rape attacks have occurred in Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc, and that all indications point to young MENA immigrants. This isn't to say that all young MENA men are rapists. Its not to say that MENA people are bad. It is to say that when introducing a culture at the speed at which Scandinavian and other European countries have, that it does not allow for a quick assimilation process and often leads to subdivision within a community. Its also really stupid to pretend that concepts of women's rights are vastly different when comparing Norway to Yemen. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Its also really stupid to pretend that concepts of women's rights are vastly different when comparing Norway to Yemen.
Another strawman? No on has made such a claim. But go you. The 22 year old journal article is the other link your posted. You could tell I was talking about it because I quoted your link right above the comment you have quoted. Journal ArticleImmigrants, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Sweden Peter L. Martens Crime and Justice Vol. 21, Ethnicity, Crime and Immigration: Comparative and Cross-National Perspectives (1997), pp. 183-255 From the header. Keep up. Again I will reiterate. No article you have linked to supports your original contention that recent immigrants are responsible for a rape wave in Sweden. You are just engaging in a Gish Gallop right now. Since you can not support your original assertion then I guess I am done. I am tired of knocking down strawman after strawman.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: Amazing, and not just because this guy was Italian (many folks from Italy, especially Semitic Sicily, were not seen as "white-European", but were allowed to immigrate during the "open border" times pre-1924). This was quite a whopper.
quote: Lazarus would not have been seen as quite the European, herself.
quote: The fact that everybody TODAY considers Italians (even from Sicily) & others - like Jewish folks -, with partial middle-eastern ancestry, as European, might not be the best support for saying the Statue of Liberty's poem was for "Europeans only". It is true that there was a severe crackdown against non-white migrants just before the statue was erected. But it was not just people from the continent of Europe that enjoyed the "open borders" rights. Sicilians were allowed to immigrate here like "Europeans". I know that for a fact. It was not all about the continent of Europe. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 194 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Make America white again.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
More evidence that Sinclair Broadcasting is a propaganda arm of the right wing.
Sinclair gives Trump official 'must-run' airtime to mislead on Trump immigration policy quote: More on this softball interview.Sinclair teams up with immigration official Ken Cuccinelli to defend ICE raids and demonize asylum-seekers | Media Matters for America Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
There is no comment on the part about people only being European.
The piece forgets to mention that her ancestors came from Brazil (and there is an quite an immigration story to how they got to Brazil in the first place) First the L.A. Times piece.
quote: There is more in the piece. But no mention of Brazilian ancestors. But look at why they were in Brazil. Converso - Wikipedia
quote: Lazarus was from a Western Sephardim family. That is why they were in the place they were when in Brazil. This family would be considered "Hispanic" today, especially if they remained in their "Christian" state.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
From the Guardian:
Houston: Islamic group hosts Sanders and Castro as rightwingers protest This weekend, an Islamic conference was held in Houston. Bernie Sanders and Julian Castro spoke at the event.
The 56th Islamic Society of North America (Isna) convention was billed as one of the largest yearly events held by Muslim American advocacy groups. Castro and Sanders were slated to take the stage for one-on-one presidential forums. Organizers estimated around 30,000 would attend the three-day event. Of course, the racists just can't leave people alone.
In the weeks leading up to the convention, the far-right, anti-Muslim Texas Patriot Network and local radio host James Doc Greene called for a demonstration against what it claimed was evidence of collusion between leftists and the Muslim Brotherhood, according to a now-defunct Facebook page. Fortunately, the good guys won't leave alone the people who won't leave other people alone.
In response to Saturday’s anti-Muslim rally, civil rights groups, anti-racist organizations and anti-fascist activists announced a counter-protest. The coalition included the Houston Socialist Movement (HSM), the National Domestic Workers Alliance and Familias Inmigrantes y Estudiantes en la Lucha (Fiel), among others. Seemed like attendance to both protests were low, but...
On Saturday, several dozen counter-demonstrators outnumbered about 15 far-right protesters, several of whom carried firearms, from Texas Patriot Network and other rightwing groups. Dozens of officers kept the two sides separated and confined to fenced-in areas. Police also patrolled on horseback. This little item about the protests at last year's conference caught my eye:
Leaked chat logs revealed that rightwingers identified potential targets for assault, among them Smith and other demonstrators, Houston Press reported. Not that this should surprise anyone:
In late July, the California-based Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism (CSHE) found hate crimes have swelled by 9% in 30 large US cities. In addition to 75 hate crimes targeting Muslims during the first half of 2019, Cair recorded at least 759 anti-Muslim bias incidents, a pace expected to reach a 22% increase this year over 2014.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It isn't racism, it's the knowledge that Islam aims to take over the world for Allah. That is what you are either denying or ignorant of. If being governed by Islam is your idea of happiness, hey let's make America Muslim as fast as we can, right? Give up all the freedoms, give up freedom of religion, expect to be taxed or killed if you reject Islam, give up any kind of feminist rights. What's not to like? Be happy.
Here are some liberals on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60 Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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How would that be any different than if the US was a Christian Nation?
Thank God there is almost no chance of either ever coming true.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Well, I agree that any organization in the US that has stated that it's goals is to "take over the world" should be criticized. I'm not sure whether that applies to any of the organizations that took part in Isna this year.
And even if it does, I'm not sure what danger such a small minority poses to Constitutional norms in the US. A bigger danger to the Constitution and rule of law is the Trump personality cult, which seems to be able to maintain support of 40% of the voters and may manage another Electoral College win in 2020.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'll be dead by the time they take over but I do have grandchildren to think about.
The most you have to worry about Trump is another few years you know. And after that there's some reason to expect we'll have a real Communist revolution. Wouldn't that be fun? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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