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Hyroglyphx
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Message 600 of 953 (860908)
08-13-2019 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 598 by Theodoric
08-12-2019 3:43 PM


Re: Maybe you should address responses to assertions you have made
When in fact the Amnesty International report makes absolutely no mention of immigrants or even religion. As a matter of fact the report makes it clear that this has been a long time issue in Nordic countries, prior to the current influx of refugees and immigrants. It is a home grown problem, people like you want to foist on brown people. Maybe you should actually read the report you wanted to use to support your right wing ****.
The data represents a clear parallel between immigrants of Middle-Eastern and North African (MENA) descent and a rise in crime ranging from theft to sexual assaults that is disproportionate when compared to previous years of less immigration and when compared to native-born Scandinavians. There's two obvious ways one can view this: Either on racial lines, as you've chosen to do, or along cultural lines, as most everyone else has chosen to do. Its not a new concept that MENA countries have a different view than Nordic countries as it relates to women's rights. Are you really going to argue the fact that MENA countries are, in general, far more supportive of patriarchal beliefs when compared to Western Civilization? Women beaten, women raped, women treated as chattel, women being subservient to men, women existing as human incubators? This is because this isn't merely being done to women after moving to Norway or Sweden. This is the state of affairs for women living in Afghanistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Somalia, Yemen, etc. Are you really going to pretend that these poor nations, clinging to traditional, Islamic social mores are integrating well into Western Civilization?
Again, we can view this from a racial perspective versus a cultural one. The greater the generational divide (1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th generations) the greater the assimilation process becomes. Generally by the 3rd generation is a near total assimilation with the host countries societal norms and that are reflective of the same rates as natives of the country. That's just common sense. If I moved to Japan, I might have boorish, American qualities that I brought with me because I don't understand as well as native-born Japanese about how to conduct myself in that country. But my children will be more integrated than I am. And my grandchildren will be essentially as Japanese as the Japanese. The same thing is unsurprisingly happening in Nordic countries presently with an influx of MENA immigrants.
We all know this is a question of cultural influence, but you choose to frame it racially in a poor attempt to poison the well.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 605 of 953 (860965)
08-14-2019 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 602 by Theodoric
08-13-2019 1:02 PM


Re: Maybe you should address responses to assertions you have made
Your source does not support you. You should read the full article and it's conclusions before you assume, because of it's title, that it supports you.
Wrong, I read it from stem to stern. The paper was objective, as it should be. You're extracting the parts complimentary to your position. You even quote what I mentioned, that the MENA culture is dominated by patriarchal viewpoints. You later scorned me claiming that distinguishing between race and culture is basically impossible. Bullshit. The article even cites that other migrants from places like Asia or Sub-Sarhan African immigrants were not seeing disproportionate levels of criminality. That's because they're different cultures.
This disproves the commonly held view in Western Europe/Norway that the rise in rape cases — or the rape wave — is primarily to be blamed on the MENA immigrant’s influx to Western societies.
You might want to at least read the full conclusions.
Here are some important parts.
This Journal article is 22 years old.
Global Politics Review 3, no. 1, April 2017: 61-78
Top of the very first page.
What are the claims the article makes abut islamic immigrants being responsible for an increase in rapes in Sweden? That is what we are discussing. Again you build another strawman argument. How about sticking to your original claim about immigrants being responsible for a "rape wave" in Sweden.
I didn't say, Islam, I said MENA. Islam is a humongous religion that spans several continents and is also nuanced based on cultural differences. And I am sticking to the premise that rapes and even coordinated rape attacks have occurred in Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc, and that all indications point to young MENA immigrants. This isn't to say that all young MENA men are rapists. Its not to say that MENA people are bad. It is to say that when introducing a culture at the speed at which Scandinavian and other European countries have, that it does not allow for a quick assimilation process and often leads to subdivision within a community. Its also really stupid to pretend that concepts of women's rights are vastly different when comparing Norway to Yemen.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 871 of 953 (863029)
09-18-2019 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Taq
09-18-2019 2:51 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Question: Then why are Republicans so obsessed with Obama's place of birth?
Can you answer that question?
Pretty simple. It was a way to invalidate his candidacy back then. If it could be proven that he was in fact Kenyan and not a naturalized American, as is a Constitutional provision to be eligible for POTUS, then he would immediately be taken out of the White House.
Why it's still a source of contention is a better question... because his presidency is long over. Short of a time machine I don't see the point in arguing over it any longer.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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