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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2880 of 4573 (853641)
05-30-2019 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 2875 by Percy
05-29-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Mueller Speaks
"If we had confidence that the president clearly did not committed a crime, we would have said so." -- Robert Mueller
Probably the most poignant comment of that whole speech...

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 3189 of 4573 (860738)
08-11-2019 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 3187 by Trump won
08-10-2019 9:21 PM


somebody had epstein wacked, whether it was trump or bill clinton or whoever seems irrelevant now.
Highly implausible. Would require an insane amount of collusion to successfully pull it off. He's just a little bitch who lived above the law for so long that it was hard to come to terms for actually being accountable for the first time in his privileged little life.

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Message 3193 of 4573 (860744)
08-11-2019 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3190 by AZPaul3
08-11-2019 3:30 AM


Oh, I don’t know. A man on suicide watch in a sensitive federal case like this doesn’t get much in the way of opportunities to hang himself, not that it can’t be done, mind you. First attempt was foiled easily. Makes a second attempt that much rarer.
My own conspiracy theory is that he was counseled that doing the "right thing" would be best as a matter of honor, or expediency or as a favor for favored friends. After the first attempt was foiled his guards were convinced such vigilance was no longer necessary?
Whether he had help or succeed on his own doesn't matter. There are a lot of powerful people from politics, business, academia, art and beyond who are breathing a great sigh of relief.
If I were a betting man I would say his thought process went something like this: He thought he could give up a lot of other very rich and powerful elites and that it would buy him some of his freedom back. It didn't work. I think he slowly came to the realization that he was facing serious hard time and thought he was a giant, walking target. Surely he knew that once he got to prison (jail is much different) that not only would connected people be much more likely to pull off an actual hit, but that even if they didn't that the general population would whack him.
1 He's now the lowest form of life in the prison system - a pedophile
2. Oh, except that he's now even lower than that because he's a snitch
3. And he's coming in as someone with connection to money, which means inmates would constantly be extorting him
So I think he thought of all of that and came to the realization that instead of being tortured and then savagely murdered in prison, either from a hit ordered by connected people or a pissed off general population, that he'd just head them off at the pass and do it himself.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3206 of 4573 (861054)
08-16-2019 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 3205 by Percy
08-16-2019 7:58 AM


Re: Trump's Idea to Buy Greenland is Brilliant
So buying Greenland so that US citizens displaced by global warming (due to sea level rise and to parts of the country becoming desert) have somewhere to go, and so that the US can maintain world dominance, would be a brilliant move.
That's actually not a half bad idea. I doubt Denmark is gonna take the deal. Denmark is the one Scandinavian country that is almost entirely at sea level. They might too see it as a piece of real estate with huge potential.
Antarctica is the next big step. International treaty makes Antarctica open to the world, but Trump likes breaking treaties, so he should just claim Antarctica now. Who's going to stop him?
The Antarctic treaty is the opposite though, stipulating that no one may militarize the continent and can only use it for scientific research. This isn't to say that some nation won't break that treaty. But I imagine there would be huge backlash to any nation that diid.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3210 of 4573 (861095)
08-16-2019 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3194 by JonF
08-11-2019 2:30 PM


That's definitely reasonable. If true, there was some serious fucking up going on in that prison and maybe higher up. There's a report the guards skipped checking him during the night.
For the guards sake, they better hope not. Missing counts is an extremely serious offense, as it can constitute gross negligence and willful misconduct.
I don't think the official report has deliberated but I'm assuming he was on suicide watch for a week or two. He waited it out since you can't legally be on suicide watch indefinitely and then tried again. Depending on the inmate, jailers are required by law to either have 15 min, 30 min, or 1 hour head counts. If it can be proven that the jailer failed to his counts and somebody dies, you could be looking at a felony. I'm sure his interval was 15 minutes based upon the high-profile case and that he was a recent suicide risk. Still plenty of time if you're determined and planned ahead.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3211 of 4573 (861096)
08-16-2019 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3197 by Trump won
08-11-2019 10:18 PM


no video. camera is trained outside cell. there are two things. if he was on suicide watch, it would have been humanly impossible to commit suicide, in strait jacket with paper sheets and no way to hang from anything, steel frame bed but no way to move it.
Just because he was on suicide watch at one point in time doesn't mean he's on suicide watch for the rest of his natural life. Eventually everyone, by law, has to be taken off suicide watch once they've been deemed to be stabilized. So we shouldn't automatically assume that he was necessarily at the time of his death. Also, straight jackets aren't used anymore. Its a padded room with a tear-proof smock.
if he was taken off suicide watch, why?
Because there are Constitutional provisions preventing cruel and inhumane punishment.
and no checks. inmates and COs alike, also high ranking police officers, are being quoted as saying it would be impossible for him to commit suicide.
Who said there were no checks?
I'm assuming you believe he was murdered. If we're talking impossibilities, it would be impossible for somebody to access him without being noticed. If it was a rogue guard or two then the administration would find out. The cameras are on secure servers. Your only other option is that high up in the administration had him killed, in which case, it would be pretty easy to launch an investigation and determine why the footage was conveniently scrubbed. Then you have the collusion factor which means multiple people must have been in on it for the murder theory to pan out and there's no way a secret like that isn't going to leak.
Its easy to let the imagination run wild... but when you really stop to think of how it could be done successfully, it falls apart.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3215 of 4573 (861250)
08-18-2019 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 3212 by Trump won
08-16-2019 11:40 PM


these facts alone are extremely suspicious.
Where are you getting your "facts?" None of these have been released because you never want to release too much information during an active investigation. The only thing released was the autopsy report, which has already ruled it as a suicide.
You're listening to speculation and calling it fact. Don't.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3240 of 4573 (861652)
08-24-2019 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3239 by JonF
08-23-2019 12:33 PM


Donald Trump's Twitter-verse
A lot of Trump's criticisms against China are accurate. They have been in engaged in corporate espionage since the early 90's. I don't think they have a single original idea for anything... they just steal anything they can get their hands on, reverse engineer it, and figure out a way to make a cheaper, shittier version. And of course it is true that their human rights are appalling. I'm not saying China is a beacon for freedom or that they shouldn't be called out on their malfeasance.
That said, this little pissing contest is a zero sum game. Like it or not, China is our number 1 trading partner and its a losing hand to try to push them around with tariffs when we import from them far more than we export to them. He is hurting these companies and the consumers are paying for it. Secondly, he "orders" American CEO's to stop trading with China? If Trump could, he be dictator of the world. He lords over everyone. Look how many people have either resigned from his administration because they can't work someone this unstable or that he's fired because they dared to speak in a way that challenges his ego. He doesn't really like this job because its tedious. He's made it quite clear. It just appeals to his unquenchable thirst for power.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3243 of 4573 (861676)
08-25-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3242 by Percy
08-25-2019 9:30 AM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
that he lied is not in doubt, for example, that China pays the tariff fees.
I think he says these things as sound bites to drum up his supporters to feverish heights. Like saying Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Its obviously a ridiculous concept on the face of itself. He must be saying these things as a sensationalistic tactic.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3249 of 4573 (861733)
08-25-2019 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 3244 by jar
08-25-2019 2:27 PM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
He must think his supporters are as deplorable and totally out of touch with reality as he is.
A lot of them are even worse... if that's even possible.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3441 of 4573 (864464)
10-11-2019 3:59 PM


Trump and Syria
Not at all to defend Trump, but it seems that in this instance he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
If he retains the troops we hear plaintiff cries of "Endless Wars!" If he brings the troops back we hear plaintiff cries about abandoning the Kurds.
Personally, I think leaving a small but very capable detachment to stabilize the region is advisable. We forget that ISIS is nothing more than AQI (Al Qaeda in Iraq) which was the brainchild of Zarqawi. After the Surge in Iraq, the US listened to plaintiff cries about endless wars, pulled out against the advice of the top brass, and then ISIS metastasized like a cancer in the absence of direct intervention. And we see what they were capable of doing without the US presence
The Kurds have been doing most of the heavy lifting. We've assisted primarily in air support, something the Kurds don't have, but they've been doing most of the grunt work.
Turkey and the YPG have had a long dispute regarding land. While its true that YPG have committed acts of terrorism against Turkey it is also true that Turkey has committed war crimes against YPG and other Kurdish offshoots.
Seems like Turkey was more than happy to allow the Kurds to kill both ISIS and Assad loyalists, since all three are hostile to Turkey. Now that the Syrian government is in bad shape and ISIS is all but defeated, now Turkey has the onus to wipe out the last of their enemies -- the Kurds.
I think it would have been better to keep a small element of US forces embedded in Syria, especially with how fragile that region is right now. You end up spending ten times you set out to save in terms of money and US lives when you leave it unchecked.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3594 of 4573 (866550)
11-12-2019 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3593 by Percy
11-12-2019 2:54 PM


Re: Increasing pollution
Speaking of scientific transparency, I watched a NYT video last night titled Guilty by Machine about breathalyzers. It was one episode of a weekly program called Weekly produced by the NYT that airs on Sunday nights on FX and is also available on Hulu. The companies who make breathalyzers don't want to reveal much about their technology for competitive reasons, and they're SLAPP happy. The programmers who analyzed one of the machine's code were legally not allowed to talk about their results or conclusions, and when the reporter produced a copy of their report one of the programmers said that he was legally required to request that they destroy it. The reporter said she wasn't going to destroy it, and that was followed by a segment where she described the report's content. Which was, of course, damning.
Making matters worse, the police don't maintain the machines very well or provide adequate training. When pressed the companies say that their machines offer an approximation that can be affected by a host of variables, but the police and legal system have transformed breathalyzer results into gospel.
Determining the validity of breathalyzers is incredibly simple. Because you can measure the results by having a controlled group ingesting different amounts of alcohol, some with no alcohol, and seeing the results based on the amounts consumed along with their respective alcohol content. It doesn't get more measurable than that in order to determine how accurate it is.
Now, polygraph machines.... that's a different story. That's junk science through and through.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3700 of 4573 (869014)
12-21-2019 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3697 by Percy
12-21-2019 10:00 AM


Re: Putin has Trump's Back
I see this impeachment process as pretty much handing Trump another term on a silver platter. This impeachment will not amount to one damn thing that's useful. He's not going anywhere because its obvious at this point its based on a popularity contest and not actually identifiable impeachment charges. When he survives it, and he will just as Clinton did, he and his supporters will use it to their advantage.
Trump is a goddamn buffoon. Trump has no respect for the institution of the presidency. Trump is a myopic and self-aggrandized megalomaniac. And I have no doubt that there are numerous improprieties during his tenure as president. None of that is in dispute. But I really don't think they have anything on him that is going to rise to the level of ousting him and, worse still, that this will actually play into his hands. The Democrats couldn't have picked a worse time to do this either.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3702 of 4573 (869016)
12-22-2019 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3701 by Minnemooseus
12-21-2019 11:58 PM


Re: Hyroglyphx thinks impeachment is a bad idea
Its not that I think impeachment is a bad idea, its that I don't think its going to yield the desired results.
I yield to my perceived faith in the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Hold off on passing the impeachment to the Senate and let things stew, about how the Republicans of the Senate are going to handle the trial. Right now, the Republican image is that they are fully in defense of Trump and willing to whitewash anything and everything Trump does. Let that image stew, and see what happens.
I also think this tactic of, "Lets wait and see" is a poor game plan. The half-assed approach is giving the Trumpians time to establish a counter. Hit them hard, hit them fast with solid evidence. Sitting around and waiting is giving credibility, whether real or imagined, to the notion that its a bluff and they really don't have anything substantial on him.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3759 of 4573 (871577)
02-05-2020 7:46 PM


Acquittal
As I suspected would happen from the jump, Trump has been acquitted. I attribute this mostly to the lackluster allegations and sloppy job legitimizing a case against him. I thought the Articles of Impeachment were very shoddy and very weak. Also, predictably, this just bolstered his base even further. Donald Trump, whether we like it or not, has a better chance now than ever to be a two-term president.
I wish they had not proceeded with the articles until they had something substantial and incontrovertible against him. I understand the desire to proceed given the timing of the election, but if you don't have a good case then you run the risk of increasing his popularity -- he's some kind of teflon mafia don now.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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