The Right Side of the News

Run, run, as fast as you can.If you ever contact reality you'll burn up.

Since Hong Kong is on and a part of the Chinese mainland controlled by China (remember Hong Kong is not independent) immigration is not an issue.BTW, the Chinese military has been quietly building up thousands of troops and tanks near Hong Kong this last week. Hong Kong's special political status, already hanging by a thread, is about to be cut.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

I care about the rule of law, the reputation of my country and the just treatment of all people. Especially children. Things you obviously do not care about.

Let anarchy reign.

Sad to think that and Leftist rule are the only options these days. Not that I think the Republicans are any great alternative either. Time to throw in the towel I guess.

We should accept reliable evidence regardless of the source. Our efforts should be for developing skills for seeking out and recognizing reliable evidence, rather than for developing filters against views different from our own.--Percy

All you guys who "care" so much about the children are doing nothing but trying to find scapegoats it seems to me. Why are you beating me up about it instead of working on finding solutions? I don't get why it keeps being ignored but if there is a problem there has to be a cause of the problem and isn't that where you have to start? You are talking about ONE facility. There are others, why are they being left out of the discussion? What is the cause of the problem at this one facility?Come on, there have to be causes. Why can they only come up with inadequate food? Are they hiding the hot meals somewhere? Why can't they give the people showers? Is it a matter of too little staff? What IS the problem? Come on. Just complaining and calling people names aren't a solution. Unless all you really want to do is make yourself sound righteous and everybody else evil, which does often seem to be the main plan on the Left. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're getting the attention because you're the one defending current administration policies about treatment of immigrant children, and of immigrants in general. The old policy prior to Trump was to schedule an immigration hearing, then release into the country. There was no need for huge holding facilities.Without consulting Congress Trump changed the policy and ceased releasing immigrants into the country, instead holding them in the aforementioned holding facilities. Congress disapproves of this policy and so refuses to allocate the funds to properly carry it out. Trump should negotiate with Congress to find a solution that Congress will fund. You know, the way government's supposed to work.--Percy

Yeah, sure, very reasonable, except that facts can be selected to give a particular impression while the overall context or many other facts are left out, and in the case of the Left it is SO clear that their main objective is calling people names that ought to raise red flags already. It's just racism or cruelty or whatever. What's wrong with the idea of ordinary Americans taking the needed supplies to the people in the facility if that is really what you care about? What's wrong with badgering the authorities about the problems until they are forced to do something? Why aren't the other detention facilities mentioned? Is it because they don't have such problems and if not why not? Overcrowding is first of all due to the fact that too many people are crashing the border. What are you going to do about that? Nobody really seems to want to address that at all, just pretend this is our problem and our failure. There's a LOT to think about here but nobody wants to think about it, just play on emotions and above all find a Bad Guy to point the finger at. And we know who that is, and everbody who defends him.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Forgive me, but as I said, I have no reason to trust any particular set of "facts" such as these you are giving. The bias is too thick. Yes I'm defending the administration, against an avalanche of fake news and hatreds. Now you just want me to accept your "facts?" Sorry, there's a lot more going on here.However, just from what you said it's pretty obvious that the former plan was ridiculous and a change was needed. So it has problems of its own. So work on THOSE problems.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Of COURSE Congress was opposed to the policy. Of COURSE they are withholding the funds, because that makes TRUMP look bad which is the primary objective of everybody on the Left. I've suggested that it's a matter of inadequate funding and everybody here has said no that's not the reason. At least you are saying it is.Trump is doing something sensible and you defend his opponents. And you want me to see the sense in YOUR position? Scheduling a hearing that you know nobody is going to show up for is a sensible thing to do? Releasing people into the country against the wishes of a great number of citizens is a sensible thing to do? But of course an attempt to stop that kind of irrationality is what gets attacked.But thanks for the explanation, that's more than anyone else here offrered. At least it is an explanation.However, as I noted earlier, the problems with inadequate food and other services are dated back to 2015 and 16 so your explanation isn't really the explanation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Actually Faith, the resources are available, particularly from the Roman Catholic Church. There are shelters and mentors and food and clothing and supplies and transportation help and education and translators and legal advisors and most everything needed.The problem is that the US Government works very hard to fuck the system up and make sure the help is not provided. They refuse to communicate with the charities and instead simply bring bus loads of folk unannounced and dump them off with no warning or advanced notice. They do not allow the charities to have access to the concentration camps or to provide the services.The goal of the US Government seems to be to make sure that there is a problem and the maximum possible pain and suffering.

We're trying to raise awareness of the problem so solutions can be found. No, you have to start with acknowledging there is a problem. Which you have refused to do. Ah, fantasizing again. Please try to keep up. From previous posts:

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From June 17 to June 19, 2019, I was part of a team of lawyers, doctors and interpreters monitoring conditions for children in Border Patrol stations in the El Paso, Texas area on behalf of the class of children protected by the Flores Settlement Agreement.[4] On June 17 and 19 I interviewed children detained at the Clint Border Patrol Station, and on June 18, I interviewed children and their families at the El Paso Station (also known as Station 1) and the Santa Teresa Border Patrol Station. I personally interviewed 16 detained children in these three facilities, while our monitoring team interviewed over 50 children throughout our visit.

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During our visits to five Border Patrol facilities and two ports of entry in the Rio Grande Valley,2 we reviewed compliance with CBP’s Transport, Escort, Detention and Search (TEDS) standards, which govern CBP’s interaction with detained individuals,3 and observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs),4 families, and single adults that require immediate attention. Specifically, Border Patrol was holding about 8,000 detainees in custody at the time of our visit, with 3,400 held longer than the 72 hours generally permitted under the TEDS standards.5 Of those 3,400 detainees, Border Patrol held 1,500 for more than 10 days. ...

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In addition to holding roughly 30 percent of minor detainees for longer than 72 hours, several Rio Grande Valley facilities struggled to meet other TEDS standards for UACs and families. For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that reasonable efforts be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention.8 At these facilities, children had limited access to a change of clothes; Border Patrol had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities. While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals as is required by the TEDS standards9 until the week we arrived.10 Instead, the children were fed sandwiches and snacks for their meals. Additionally, while Border Patrol tried to provide the least restrictive setting available for children (e.g., by leaving holding room doors open), the limited space for medical isolation resulted in some UACs and families being held in closed cells.

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So, how many facilities was that again? Is there any reason to believe they are not typical? (Knowing you won't answer). The problem is barbaric and inhumane treatment of migrants. Step one is acknowledging there is a problem, which the right wing, especially YOU, refuse to do. The only people that can solve the problem are those who refuse to admit there is a problem.But there are some obvious ways to improve the situation. Instead of cutting aid to the Northern Triangle countries, increase aid and work with them to ameliorate the conditions that cause people to migrate. Don't automatically charge crossers with a crime, requiring incarceration and family separation. Release non-criminal adults and families rather than incarcerating them (the vast majority of them do show up for their court dates, and many of the others don't show up because the government didn't properly notify them).Unfortunately only the government can do something about that, and this administration doesn't listen to liberals.

Yeah, basing your ideas on no facts is much better than evaluating the available facts.We've presented official US Government reports, legal documents, and videos clearly showing what's going on and the Government's attitude. They are facts.Do you really think there are other facts that make that kind of treatment acceptable? Obviously you do. Astonishing.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Acceptable? No.But nothing you are saying has even an aim of doing anything about it. Really all you seem to want to do is have something to accuse me of because I raise other questions you ignore. Do YOU really care about the conditions there? Then why are you spending all your time trying to find someone here to blame for them?Thanks to Percy's post I'm back to the position that we need to be on Congress' case to provide the funds to meet the needs you are complaing are not being met. You all denied funding was the problem and now it's been confirmed that it is. So badger your representatives.Oh right. You'd rather point the finger at Trump, you'd rather accuse me of not caring about people. Sure, that's the real objective of the Left as I keep saying. If you really cared about the people you'd be doing something that could help them. Accusing me isn't going to do anything to help them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.