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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Interesting. Michael Savage keeps saying that it's Catholic Charities and similar Baptist groups that are responsible for flooding the country with illegal aliens.
The problem really is that the sensible government solutions are thwarted. Anything that controls the numbers of people coming into the country, or sets the standards for them, is thwarted. If it's true as Percy says that Trump has ended the "catch and release" policy, which I hadn't heard, that's a step in the direction of administrative sanity, but not to hear those on the Left talk about it, who WANT the country to be overrun with illegal aliens no matter what effect that has on Americans. Actual solutions would involve STOPPING THE TRAFFIC FROM THE SOUTH in the first place. A lot of it IS engineered by enemies of America, who tell the people they will be welcome here and finance their trip. Trump got Mexico to make some efforts at their southern border. That's a start. Then we need some kind of plan to stop them at OUR border. But Congress opposes any such ideas. Anyway thanks for the heads up about Catholic Charities. They aren't the friend of America.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No. The primary problem is NOT "barbaric and inhumane treatment of migrants" it's the lack of measures to prevent their coming here in the first place. But the mistreatment is due to the lack of funding needed to deal with them and that's the fault of the Leftist Congress. So if you want to focus on that problem, take it to them. And then you do need to address what IS the primary problem, which is their coming here in the first place. And I haven't even mentioned the role of the drug cartels, and the human traffickers, the raping of the women along the way and other problems that you are ignoring.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Congress isn't withholding the funds. Trump signed the funding bill on July 1. Of course it takes time to apply the funds. $2.9 billion goes to Health and Human Services. $1.3 billion goes to Border Patrol to improve incarceration conditions, but not for any more beds.
Scheduling a hearing that you know nobody is going to show up for is a sensible thing to do?
From the most recent official Justice Department report:
"UAC" is unaccompanied children. The light green is no-shows. But cases in which the defendant showed up but are not yet closed don't appear, so the more recent data is a significant undercount. If you count ongoing cases as the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University did, the overall appearance ratee is 81%.
However, as I noted earlier, the problems with inadequate food and other services are dated back to 2015 and 16
The problems in 2015 and 16 are not even comparable to today's problem. For example, the meals served to the children were not the ones they were used to and some refused toe at them. Some families were detained in facilities that were not licensed to house children., and some were detained too long. None of the overcrowding, none of the sleeping on a concrete floor or standing up, lights turned off at night, no reports of mistreatment of migrants. Far short of today's conditions. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/FloresRuling.pdf is the complete rugling. But those are all facts, and you don't want facts. I do find it interesting that you are turning to the Obama administration for moral guidance.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yeah, we know you ar in favor of the barbaric and inhumane conditions. I pointed out one way to reduce the number of migrants, the opposite of what the administration is doing.
Nobody's withholding funds. Please try to keep up. Trump signed the bill on July 1. It does take time for that money to take effect, and it remains to be seen what that effect will actually be. As I've said before, you'll do anything to avoid the topic of whether the conditions at the border are acceptable in the United States of America. Every one of your messages reinforces the conclusion that you thing those conditions are great.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Selected facts aren't very convincing. You are always going to spin it your way and then bash me if I don't buy your spin.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Percy said Congress withheld the funds. Why should I believe you?
And of course like a good Leftie all you REALLY care about is accusing me of being barbaric and inhumane, and that kind of undermines anything else you want to say. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
*I'm* avoiding the topic of the conditions? What am I supposed to do about them? I made some suggestions, you ignored them. I'm trying to find out why the problems exist. YOU have been avoiding THAT subject, or making insinuations I'm not buying. Percy offered an explanation, you deny his explanation. Trump is obviously trying to do something sensible, you and others are obviously trying to thwart him.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
All the relevant facts I could find. Feel free to post some actual evidence that my facts are wrong or biased.
You can't. You prefer fantasies made up from no facts.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: If it's true as Percy says that Trump has ended the "catch and release" policy, which I hadn't heard, that's a step in the direction of administrative sanity, but not to hear those on the Left talk about it, who WANT the country to be overrun with illegal aliens no matter what effect that has on Americans. The solution is to make the entry legal Faith. It really is that simple. So up at our border, pass a health check, learn about what can and cannot be done and then find a job. We are so much safer because ICE swooped in and hauled 700 hard working tax paying family improving people off their jobs.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
*I'm* avoiding the topic of the conditions?
Your continued refusal to condemn the conditions is avoiding the question. I don't deny Percy's explanation in Message 2168. I wholeheartedly agree. I haven't made any insinuations. I've presented and explained facts. Ah, so you do think that the current conditions are sensible. That clears that up.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Percy said Congress withheld the funds. Why should I believe you?
I can't find any instance of Percy saying that. If he said it after July 1 he's wrong. You should believe me because it's a matter of public record and easily checked.
Donald Trump signs $4.6 billion border aid bill - UPI.comTrump signs bill granting $4.6B in emergency funds for US border Trump signs $4.6 billion migrant aid bill | PBS NewsHour $4.59B border aid package signed into law - Roll CallPresident Trump Signs $4.6B Humanitarian Aid Bill To Fund Efforts At The Border That last one is from One America News Network, which is far to the right of Fox and Trump is watching a lot. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
dupe.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 195 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Leaving their kids to fend for themselves for a day or more. Some kids still haven't been reunited with their parents.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, the solution is not to make the entry legal. The solution is to have rational standards in place for admitting people we want to admit. And any sensible nation has that, and we would too if it weren't for the irrational ones who keep fighting it.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The rational standard is to accept anyone who is not contagious and who wants to work and improve their family life.
It really is that simple Faith.
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