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We do have rational standards in place. They haven't helped in solving the Southeast border problem.

Since you aren't saying what those standards are I have no idea why they aren't working, but my guess would be either there's something wrong with the standards or there is interference with their working.

The majority of the migrants are seeking asylum, which is legal by both US law and international law (to which we are signatories). Most of the rest are, as you know, crossing illegally no matter what standards we have.The most effective way to solve the problem is at the source. More aid and support for the Northern Triangle countriesTrump wants to make it worse by cutting their aid, so conditions there will deteriorate further.

There have always been segments of our society that chafe at them foreigners coming into our country with their strange ways taking over our jobs and our neighborhoods breathing our air. We didn’t like the Irish or the Germans when they came here. We didn’t like the French Canadians or the Chinese that came after. We really didn’t like those Italian and the Swedes and Norwegians that followed after that. Then came the Lebanese and Syrians, the Jews, the Filipinos, more Asians, Vietnamese, Laotians and the Hmong.Segments of our society treated all these newcomers with contempt and cruelty with fears of changing demographics and shifting political powers.Today it is the Hispanics.The difference today is that it is not just some segments of our society but the official acts of our government that perpetrates the contempt and cruelty against these people.It doesn’t matter about the legalities. When the official stance of my government is to herd children into cages without adequate water, sanitation (we can’t give them soap or toothbrushes for god’s sake!?), concrete floors, inadequate ventilation and all day — all night light in my name!?This is not humane. This is not American. This is pure official Reich-wing Republican evil. This is Trump.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

The name caller extraordinaire is you. Well, yes, endorsing and/or perpetrating racist driven cruelty tends to draw attention. Donations are not accepted by border patrol holding facilities. This is the US government we're talking about, not the Red Cross. I think we're doing that. Using the web I write my senators and congressperson several times a year, and I often try to write people in Congress from other states, such as Senator Susan Collins (R-ME), but their websites often reject contributors from outside their state by requiring a zip code. I didn't mention any detention facilities. My comments were general about the importance of seeking facts regardless where they lead. The overcrowding is due to Trump administration policies that no longer release immigrants into the country pending their immigration hearing. If you want to do something positive then you could write the president and your people in Congress that you believe immigrants should be treated with compassion and dignity.--Percy

Legal immigration is not working due to limits on the annual number of people. I found the article below at the Cato Institute website. Immigration wait times doubledI was amazed at the numbers involved. "Behind those immigrants who applied for green cards in 2018 stand nearly five million people waiting in the applicant backlog."Meanwhile the birth rate in US has dropped to 1.78 births per woman compared to the standard stable population rate of 2.1 births per woman.And our population is aging. We're up to about 38 years old as the median age. Demographics of United StatesOur economy needs younger people to do the work but we are not giving birth at a rate high enough.We need to increase the number of legal immigrants and reduce the wait time. Since any immigrants (even the white ones from Europe or Commonwealth countries) will be different from Americans, our culture will change.

I don't think you grasp what is meant by incompatible cultures, it's certainly not superficial trivial things like ethnic foods, its whole philosophical systems that actively oppose our constitutional republican values, such as Sharia Law. All it would take is a few generations of the much higher birth rate by Muslims to make this a Muslim country. No longer America.

Is anyone here telling you to just accept what they say as factual? Or are they offering information they think factual so that you can confirm it for yourself?And are you investigating the provided information? Or are you dismissing it? The pre-Trump policy worked pretty well (somewhere around 95% of asylum immigrants appear for their hearings), and it was what Congress had funded. You're referring now to the newly elected Democratic House. The formerly Republican House was just fine with the Trump policy. Trump doesn't need any help looking bad. He tweets his racism and cruelty constantly. I don't think you've been listening to what people have been saying. More funds have been voted for some things but not others, for instance for improving the facilities to provide better treatment but not for expanding the facilities, i.e. not for providing more beds. This is because the Democratic House does not agree with the Trump administration policy of incarceration for those attempting to enter the country illegally, or with forcing them to wait in Mexico. What is happening at the border is cruel and inhumane. I cannot support that. My hope is that everyone is against cruelty and inhumanity. I think you need to get your facts straight. I think you think this because you have your facts backwards. I think others here have offered much better explanations than me. What I've said in my brief posts is the short form. You're comparing problems of completely different magnitudes, but I hope we're all against inhumane conditions no matter where or when they occurred. If you believe pre-Trump policy was inhumane, then isn't Trump the one with the opportunity to fix it?--Percy

.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

First, the biggest backlogs listed in the Cato Institute article are China, India, Mexico and Philippines. None are even close to majority Muslim.Second, without immigration our population will get older and older and smaller and smaller. When you add in the Republican created Mega-Debt that is eating ever more of the federal budget, we will have to drastically cut everything, especially the military, unless we get more tax payers in to support our economy.Third, if the right wing would put more effort into assimilation and less effort into demonization, then the 300 million Americans would teach the descendants of the immigrants to be Americans. From my experience, few third generations have more than a smattering of their ancestors language.

Well, it is the government's responsibility. But of course many people tried. They were rejected. Many are doing this. It's weakened by the fact that Trump's base (including you) haven't joined in and deny the existence of a problem. Many other detention facilities are mentioned, as I documented this morning. Given that all the facilities inspected had major, and the fact that the same organization runs them all under the same rules and budget, it's pretty certainly widespread if not universal. The number of migrants is a huge part of the problem. Another element is spaces to put them. I don't know what they will do with the money, but it cannot be used for beds because the law says so.We want to think about it and are trying to help where we can. Much of the government (Republicans) and a lot of right-wingers don't want to think about it because they say it doesn't exist. Remember how many messages you posted trying to find some way of denying a problem? I'm not yet convinced you do accept the existence and scope of the problem. You are still asking questions that have been answered.You're arguing solely from dogma. Your posts make it clear that before this discussion you knew nothing about the issue. Anything you've learned has been from here. I suspect you haven't picked up much.

The House passed the Senate bill without change, in the interest of avoiding the delay of reconciling and revoting. Pelosi took a lot of flack. So nothing is affected by the House opinions.

How would you be able to determine any of that without stopping and temporarily detaining them? If we're going to be consistent the same should apply with anyone flying into the United States. People aren't screened for contagious diseases upon disembarking from planes. But it does require a passport and a visa to know who is entering and leaving the U.S. I'm all for immigration when it is done the right way. I'd even be in favor of the way it was handled at Ellis Island so that Mexicans and Central/South Americans feel there is no need to evade the screening process. There should be incentives for going through the proper channels and drawbacks to intentionally avoiding it.Also, if the allegations of maltreatment are even half as bad as the media coverage states, I'm all for reformation of that immediately.I think you're partially right here. We should be welcoming and accommodating as possible without being foolish and naive about it.

The vast majority of people in the southern border ARE trying to go through proper channels. Seeking asylum is a proper legal channel.

Seeking asylum is going to an embassy and filling out paperwork, not crossing the border undetected and living in hiding. Seems to me that people are seeking asylum only after they've been caught by Border Patrol. Asylum also is difficult to obtain, as it generally requires a nation being hostile to a group and that deportation would almost certainly have them imprisoned, tortured, and murdered.But to that end, it also seems to me that the only reason people are trying to go undetected is because they feel like they're about to be detained for months only to be shipped right back to where they were fleeing from. I feel like if there was a more streamlined process that immigrants wouldn't feel the need to go that route.