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Faith 
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Message 2734 of 5796 (861431)
08-21-2019 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2731 by PaulK
08-21-2019 1:48 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
By which you mean that the Left has to stop the TRUE accusations.
I said what I mean.
Explain to me why Trump’s characterisation of Mexican immigrants as - typically - drug dealers, criminals and rapists isn’t at the least xenophobic.
Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out. But getting Trump is always the game played here, hang the truth.
Explain to me why Trump enjoys so much support among White Supremacists.
Because he supports the culture and they don't know the difference.
Explain to me why you are less concerned by violent Right-wing extremists than you are about violent people who oppose them.
I rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare. It's only where the Left has a stake in magnifying their existence that I ever even hear about them, and considering the source I have no reason to take any of it seriously.
Explain to me how Laura Ingraham’s objections to brown people moving into white areas aren’t racist (as discussed here Message 1
I didn't hear her say it but assuming she did I'd say it is racist, but I'd prefer it if she pointed out the cultural problems rather than focusing on race because it's really the cultural problems that matter.
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Faith 
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Message 2735 of 5796 (861432)
08-21-2019 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2732 by AZPaul3
08-21-2019 2:11 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Never mind, I'm glad if anyone is ever concerned about such things, or I should be, so thanks and I'll go away.

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Faith 
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Message 2737 of 5796 (861434)
08-21-2019 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 2705 by AZPaul3
08-20-2019 7:09 PM


Re: I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and bright!
OK I'll ignore the usual provocations and focus on you, how about that? You said your Santa beard is a "faux" Santa beard. Meaning what?
And the red eyes? Smoking, drinking? I know it's none of my business but you described them so it's hard to avoid asking.
Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.

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Faith 
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Message 2743 of 5796 (861449)
08-21-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2740 by JonF
08-21-2019 9:39 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Obviously he's not talking about ALL immigrants because he says we're only getting the bad ones, meaning there are good ones but we aren't getting them. Nothing to do with xenophobia.
And you say the right wing extremists' "body count isn't rare" without any explanation. What body count?

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Faith 
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Message 2744 of 5796 (861450)
08-21-2019 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2742 by JonF
08-21-2019 2:18 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
So you expect me to accept the mere labels of whether some incident is right wing or whatnot. No way to fake that, right? Enormous number of incidents, too, labeled "terrorist" yet, that somehow didn't make the news?
And PS: The ADL is ideologically leftist.
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Faith 
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Message 2746 of 5796 (861452)
08-21-2019 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2745 by ringo
08-21-2019 2:26 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
The context was "xenophobia" which refers to the whole pool of potential immigrants.

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Faith 
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Message 2747 of 5796 (861453)
08-21-2019 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2741 by AZPaul3
08-21-2019 1:06 PM


Re: I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and bright!
So there is no implication of the beard's being fake.
Sorry about the allergies, sounds like a bad case.
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Faith 
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Message 2750 of 5796 (861456)
08-21-2019 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2749 by ringo
08-21-2019 2:46 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
And "the ones they send" wouldn't amount to xenophobia.

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Faith 
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Message 2755 of 5796 (861469)
08-21-2019 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 2753 by JonF
08-21-2019 4:03 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
I can't possibly check out any of that, but of course as usual I don't trust anything anyone on the Left says. I AM sorry but the cynicism is way too deep. If you're right then you're right but I'm not going to be able to figure it out. It's not that I care one way or the other, it's just that I know you all love to hate the right and facts can get skewed by bias and I'm in no position to sort it all out. Since I get called all the PC names for what seem to me to be uncontroversial comments I don't have any motivation to delve into a long list of supposed right wing murders tallied by a left wing organization and posted by a leftist. I do sincerely apologize, it's just beyond me and I don't care a whole lot.

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Faith 
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Message 2758 of 5796 (861472)
08-21-2019 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2756 by JonF
08-21-2019 7:27 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
What a WONDERFUL job of motivating me.

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Faith 
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Message 2761 of 5796 (861475)
08-22-2019 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2757 by xongsmith
08-21-2019 7:30 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
I didn't mean to say I wouldn't post on other topics, just that this one is too big a project for me.
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Faith 
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Message 2765 of 5796 (861526)
08-22-2019 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2764 by Percy
08-22-2019 3:31 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
There ARE drug dealers, criminals and rapists coming across the border and that's what Trump is talking about. There's nothing wrong with putting "typical" in quotes. That's the natural way to show that a word was said, in this case by PaulK characterizing Trump's point of view, and you don't know if it's a fair representation or not. Since he used the word he obviously considers Trump to be characterizing the immigrants in general as including a large number of these categories we don't want in the country, a large number beint enough for PaulK to say Trump considered it "typical" of the population coming in. I doubt he meant that and it's usually not a good idea to take his every word literally.
Thank you for the quote which proves that Laura Ingraham did NOT say anything racist. I trusted PaulK when I shouldn't have. It's just the usual way of characterizing anyone who has a problem with illegal immigration changing the character of the nation.
Yes there are some problematic cultures, and if people are coming here and not being required to go through the usual instruction in our institutions to become a citizen our institutions are going to be seriously eroded.
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Faith 
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Message 2772 of 5796 (861671)
08-25-2019 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2771 by Percy
08-25-2019 9:06 AM


Re: Called out as racist? Here's help.
As might be expected of the Washington Post this presentation on racism absolutely and utterly misses the point. Total red herring. Real racism to whatever extent it may exist is not the point. The point is that racism is one weapon in an arsenal of character-assassinating weapons invented by Cultural Marxism to undermine the credibility of political opponents while avoiding ever taking their political arguments seriously. It is currently specifically directed against Trump and his supporters. The rational bases for any of Trump's political aims is completely ignored under a barrage of personal accusations. This is how the nation is being destroyed. Call him a racist when he's not, call him a liar when he's just misspoken, bury his intended point under a mountain of innuendo and fake news. There is no such thing as political discourse any more, just pile on the personal accusations and nobody has to bother thinking seriously about the real issues.
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Faith 
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Message 2774 of 5796 (861673)
08-25-2019 1:43 PM


Does it have to be saving the environment versus saving human enterprise?
As I say on the Tribute thread where the death of David Koch is noted, I don't know much about the Koch brothers except a vague sense that they are immensely wealthy supporters of conservative causes, and even that vague sense is contradicted by another sense that some conservatives don't like their point of view.
So I read up a little on David Koch at Wikipedia and some Google headlines and found again, as I did on the Tribute thread, how hated he and his brother are by the Left. It's still not completely clear to me what the main issues are but environmental concerns are high on the list?
Somebody accused Koch of causing the fire in the Amazon. If there's any connection at all I gather he must have supported economic development in the region to the detriment of the rain forest? The fire is a frightening thing, since it could destroy a major environmental boon to the planet. With that concern I certainly agree. Losing the Amazon rain forest is a scary thought.
But the problem with this kind of political conflict is that it's always completely one-sided. If you favor environmental protections you think of economic developers as simply evil and wish them dead. If you see the danger in militant environmentalism as destroying the economies on which human prosperity and wellbeing relies you may wish the environmentalist fanatics dead.
This is the essential conflict in the climate change disputes too. Either you favor shutting down human enterprise to save the planet or you're willing to risk climate change to protect human enterprise. There doesn't seem to be much ability on either side to consider the valid issues on the other side.
I doubt any kind of reasonable discussion about this is possible, of course. I'm sure my choice of terms will become a major dispute for starters, and soon enough I'll be having to deal with some kind of statistical analysis that supposedly answers all questions although it's simply impossible for any such analysis to anticipate all the relevant variables, and the topic will stagnate and I'll be blamed for refusing to study the statistics. Or something like that. Or it may stagnate before it goes anywhere at all.
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Faith 
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Message 2775 of 5796 (861674)
08-25-2019 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2773 by PaulK
08-25-2019 1:35 PM


Re: Called out as racist? Here's help.
Yes, thank you, so ends that topic.

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