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Author Topic:   Chance as a sole-product of the Universe
Tangle
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Message 239 of 263 (861467)
08-21-2019 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Phat
08-21-2019 3:38 PM


Re: Not A Chance
Thugpreacha writes:

What I mean is that probability is strictly measured...when they make random chip generators for slot machines or print a million lottery tickets, there is a known probability of precisely which ones will be winners and how much they will pay. It is predetermined.

You're getting things mixed up. If something is random an individual event can't be predicted.

The universe, if it arose solely by chance, would arise from a mindless math concept that had, according to you, a set probability.

No, it could be random. In fact, given what we know about the quantum world it almost certainly was. But we're both out of our depth.

All you need to know as a gambler is that chance and probability ARE the same and that you have no influence on either no matter what you think and no matter how hard you pray.


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Message 242 of 263 (861480)
08-22-2019 5:57 AM
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08-22-2019 4:34 AM


Re: Not A Chance
The idea of a deterministic universe is destroyed by quantum theory.

Quantum randomness is truly random, it can't be predetermined no matter how much information you gather. It's not a function of not knowing enough to figure out what will happen, we *can't* know what will happen because randomness is a function of the thing itself.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 244 of 263 (861488)
08-22-2019 10:13 AM
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08-22-2019 8:47 AM


Re: Not A Chance
Are you certain?

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