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JonF
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Message 2738 of 5796 (861438)
08-21-2019 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Faith
08-20-2019 11:27 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
Not vague, very specific. The numbers come from the FBI.

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JonF
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Message 2739 of 5796 (861439)
08-21-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2733 by Faith
08-21-2019 3:16 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. The analogy is to a dog whistle, whose ultrasonic tone is heard by dogs but inaudible to humans.
For example, "welfare queen".
quote:
It’s used to imply that Black women on social programs like welfare are lazy people who don’t do anything to help themselves. Instead, they have children to use up government money and the tax dollars of hard-working (read: white) Americans to live luxuriously.

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JonF
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Message 2740 of 5796 (861440)
08-21-2019 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 2734 by Faith
08-21-2019 3:27 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out. But getting Trump is always the game played here, hang the truth.
Let's see what he said.
"Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people."
Clearly indicating the majority of them are criminals, at least to anyone who uses a single brain cell to figure it out.
quote:
rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare.
Their body count isn't rare.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 2742 of 5796 (861448)
08-21-2019 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2724 by Faith
08-20-2019 11:27 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
That is about as vacuous and vague as it's possible to get. Who is putting up those terms, what do they mean? What incidents are being included?
Turns out the Anti-Defamation League tracks this stuff.
Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., ADL Finds; Right-wing extremists killed more people last year than in any year since 1995
quote:
In its annual report on extremist-related killings in the U.S., the ADL’s Center on Extremism reported that at least 50 people were killed by extremists in 2018, including the 11 individuals killed in the fatal anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. The tally represents a 35 percent increase from the 37 extremist-related murders in 2017, making 2018 the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.
Last year saw the highest percentage of right-wing extremist-related killings since 2012, the last year when all documented killings were by right-wing extremists.
...
Every perpetrator had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently begun supporting Islamist extremism.
They also have a neat interactive map and list. Here's all 222 extremist (Islamist, Left-Wing, White Supremacist, right-wing anti-government, right-wing other) murders in the last ten years:
(Page not Found | ADL)
The murders are listed and briefly described under the map.
Here's all 203 murders by the three flavors of right-wingers in the same time frame:
(Page not Found | ADL)
Again the murders are list and briefly described under the map.
203/222 = 91%.
Don't worry, Faith, your anti-reality shield won't crack.

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JonF
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Message 2752 of 5796 (861463)
08-21-2019 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2743 by Faith
08-21-2019 2:20 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Obviously he was talking about somewhere between MOST and ALL migrants. He wasn't even FUCKING SURE that some of them were good people. He could only ASSUME that SOME (definitely not meaning MOST) were good people.
What body count? We were discussing this yesterday and you've forgotten already. Very convenient memory.
Nonetheless, I documented them down to the individual incident level in a message you hadn't seen when you wrote that. I can't wait to see how you spin that. Probably your oft-used "better no facts at all rather than your facts".
ABE Ah, I was pretty close. But I call that a miss.
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JonF
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Message 2753 of 5796 (861465)
08-21-2019 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2744 by Faith
08-21-2019 2:23 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
Ideology doesn't change facts. These facts are extremely well documented.
As I said, under the map on the web site there's a list of incidents with plenty of detail. The first one is:
quote:
Extremist Murder
Terrorist Plot/Attack
4/27/2019
Poway, CA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
White supremacist John T. Earnest allegedly opened fire at a synagogue in Poway, California, killing one person and injuring three before fleeing. He was reportedly emulating white supremacist Brenton Tarrant's killing spree in New Zealand in March 2019.
Go wild. Check out each one. I admit there are a very few in which the right-wing connection isn't strongly established, but not enough to change the overwhelming trend.
BTW, none of the incidents were labeled "terrorist". Please try to keep up.
Every one of them made the news. Are you telling me you didn't hear about the synagogue shooting in April?
(Obviously they're a little behind. El Paso adds 22 more on the right wing tally, and Dayton adds nine in the one incident by a liberal).
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 2756 of 5796 (861470)
08-21-2019 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2755 by Faith
08-21-2019 7:20 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
Right, you love your bubble of lies and reality just doesn't matter.
Get a friend or friends to help. Hire someone to set up your computer for better viewing. I'm not a big fan of Best Buy's Geek Squad, but that should be within their capabilities.
Until then don't make any claims about right-wing violence.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 2760 of 5796 (861474)
08-21-2019 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2758 by Faith
08-21-2019 7:31 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
What a WONDERFUL job of motivating me.
Nothing can motivate you to have any interest in reality. You've made that abundantly clear.
I appreciate the softer tone of your last few messages. But your mind is still locked up tight
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 2766 of 5796 (861528)
08-22-2019 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2765 by Faith
08-22-2019 5:37 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
Trump could only assume that some of them are not criminals.
He was talking about most of the migrants.

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JonF
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Message 2768 of 5796 (861535)
08-22-2019 9:21 PM


Censorship! Censorship!
Facebook bans the Epoch Times ads after huge pro-Trump buy: By hiding its multimillion-dollar dark money ad spend, the organization is bypassing Facebook’s political advertising transparency rules.
quote:
The Epoch Times, a conservative news outlet that has spent more money on pro-Trump Facebook advertisements than any group other than the Trump campaign in the last six months, shifted its spending on the platform in the last month, according to results seen on Facebook's advertising archive. These new pages obfuscate their connection to ads that promote the president and conspiracy theories about his political enemies.
The Epoch Times’ new method of pushing the pro-Trump conspiracy ads on Facebook, which now appear under page names such as Honest Paper and Pure American Journalism, allows the organization to hide its multimillion-dollar spending on dark-money ads, in effect bypassing Facebook’s political advertising transparency rules.
...
Following a request from NBC News, Facebook conducted a review of the Epoch Times’ new accounts, and as a result, banned them from future advertising on the platform.
Cue right wing whining in 3...2...1...
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JonF
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Message 2785 of 5796 (861696)
08-25-2019 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2774 by Faith
08-25-2019 1:43 PM


Re: Does it have to be saving the environment versus saving human enterprise?
I am always amazed at YEC's and right-wing nutjob's inability to conceive of more than two possibilities. It's as if such blindness is a requirement for admission.
Faith, there is a near-infinite number of possible outcomes of climate change and our actions (or lack thereof). Your inability to think of more than two possibilities does not, as always, affect that reality.
But you are determined to fuck our descendants as thoroughly as possible by ignoring it. So the obscenely rich can amass more riches and corporations can destroy what environment we have left.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 2790 of 5796 (861709)
08-25-2019 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2786 by Faith
08-25-2019 3:35 PM


Re: Does it have to be saving the environment versus saving human enterprise?
I didn't say right or left, I said obscenely rich. Try reading what I write instead of what you want me to write.
We should be developing and manufacturing more renewable energy sources. They are already economically advantageous in many situations, and rapidly gaining in many others. Unfortunately Trump has surrendered any leadership we had to China, and has tried to prop up dead-end coal. (some of the biggest coal fired generators are shutting down. Not economical.)
We should be participating in the world-wide effort to reduce carbon output and increase sequestration. But we're not, because Trump pulled out of the Paris accord.
The economic future is murkier. There are models that predict almost any possibility. Those steps definite do not necessarily lead to economic disaster.
But our present course is untenable. I think the right will continue to block any positive staps and the rest of the world won't be able to do enough. Mankind and much of our civilization will survive, but after an economc whirlwind that will make the Great Depression look like a minor hiccup. What will happen when the Midwest is too hot to grow wheat but Siberia is perfect?

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JonF
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Message 2796 of 5796 (861730)
08-25-2019 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2795 by Faith
08-25-2019 8:11 PM


Re: So predictable
Sticking your head in the sand is a sure fire way to avoid disaster.

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 2802 of 5796 (861892)
08-28-2019 6:30 PM


Just when you thought they'd reached the nadir of evil.
Trump admin says children of US soldiers born overseas will no longer get automatic American citizenship
quote:
For wives of soldiers stationed on the base, it means that they must leave the base after they reach 36 weeks of pregnancy as it is unsafe to travel after. So, expectant mothers must not only leave their spouse to ensure their child is an American, but it means they must also spend the remainder of their pregnancy, including the birth, without their partner.
According to USCIS, previous legislation also explicitly said that spouses of service members who were living outside the U.S. because of their spouses were considered residing in the U.S., but ‘that no similar provision was included for children of U.S. armed forces members in the acquisition of citizenship context is significant,' reported Task & Purpose.
It’s one of the reasons USCIS has decided those children are not considered to be residing in the U.S. and will no longer be given citizenship. They can begin the process to become naturalized after they return to the United States.
Faith I would really like to hear your reaction. It's not fake news, it's Government policy. Here's the official USCIS announcement https://www.uscis.gov/...0190828-ResidenceForCitizenship.pdf (note PDF). Anything for our men and women in the Armed Forces, right?

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 2803 of 5796 (861893)
08-28-2019 6:37 PM


This is journalism?
Right-wing "journalist" Andy Ngo outed: Video shows him hanging out with far-right hate group
quote:
Ngo, who has used selectively edited videos to paint antifa as a violent, criminal group was hit with punches and milkshakes during a clash between antifa activists and members of the Proud Boys, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Many on the right rallied around Ngo after that altercation, and spread false rumors that the milkshakes thrown at him and others had contained quick-dry cement.
Ngo used his newfound fame to boost his profile, appearing on Fox News and other cable news outlets and embracing his victimhood.
Just weeks later, however, a video surfaced on Twitter showing Ngo pal around with the Proud Boys-adjacent group Patriot Prayer.
The video shows Ngo laughing as the group plans a violent attack on antifa members at a Portland bar in May. The video surfaced as part of a lawsuit brought by the bar, accusing Patriot Prayer members of causing a riot.
The Portland Mercury reports that Patriot Prayer members targeted antifa while they were celebrating a day of peaceful May Day celebrations. The lawsuit brought by the bar owners alleges that Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson and six others trespassed onto the property with the aim of engaging in violence.
The video of Ngo laughing as the group plans their attack, wrote Portland Mercury news editor Alex Zielinski, is the clearest evidence I’ve seen supporting the claim that [Patriot Prayer] & leader Joy Gibson were intent on instigating a fight that afternoon.
Video and demonstrations of dishonest editing at the link.

  
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