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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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If you seriously think that Trump’s trade war with China is being criticised because of Trump’s appeals to racism and xenophobia then you are completely out of touch with reality.
When Trump claims that trade wars are easy to win or that the Chinese are paying the tariffs he set it’s far from clear that the policy has any rational basis - and even Trump sees the risks to the US economy (now) - hence his recent demand that the Federal Reserve reduce interest rates by a whole point. Ranting about nutty conspiracy theories in an effort to silence criticism of Trump - and ignoring the real issues - is hardly a contribution to political discourse. It’s just an attempt to silence it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
At least one analyst says it's not really a trade war we're in with China but really another cold war, since they are out to destroy us completely.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Your views on "real racism" are about as useless as your ideas on "real science". Real racism to whatever extent it may exist is not the point. Edited by ringo, : No reason given."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right, personal attack, what else is ever said by my opponents?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
What personal attack? I referred specifically to your views. You use the qualifier "real" to turn everything upside down. Racism is just a weapon used to attack you. It isn't "real" racism. Right, personal attack, what else is ever said by my opponents?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, well your view of my views is about as useless as everything else you say and this is not a personal attack because it's about your view.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: That is silly because it is the tactics and strategies used which decide the label. Trump chooses to fight with tariffs - a tax on American companies who buy the affected goods from China. The Chinese retaliate in kind. That makes it a trade war.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I measure my usefulness here partially by the number of cheers I get. I'm ahead of you.
Yes, well your view of my views is about as useless as everything else you say... RFaith writes:
See? You understood what I said. I said something useful. ... and this is not a personal attack because it's about your view."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I watched a great video by this guy Patrick Bet David which explained Trade wars to me in a way I had never bothered to research. Does anyone see any flaws or bias in his overall presentations?
Dennis Prager gets pushed by Patrick Bet DavidChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I am always amazed at YEC's and right-wing nutjob's inability to conceive of more than two possibilities. It's as if such blindness is a requirement for admission.
Faith, there is a near-infinite number of possible outcomes of climate change and our actions (or lack thereof). Your inability to think of more than two possibilities does not, as always, affect that reality. But you are determined to fuck our descendants as thoroughly as possible by ignoring it. So the obscenely rich can amass more riches and corporations can destroy what environment we have left. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Soros is obscenely rich and he is on the Left.
And instead of commenting on/misrepresenting me personally why don't you just spell out the particular point of view you favor? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Used car salesman. He mixed in a lot of facts, but in the end he didn't tie them together and so created more muddle than clarity. His understanding of trade deficits seems to be at the same flawed and rudimentary level as Trump's.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Faith writes: Soros is obscenely rich and he is on the Left. But he accepts the reality of climate change and the need to bear the costs associated with taking action, unlike those on the right who deny climate change because dealing with it might hurt their profits.
And instead of commenting on/misrepresenting me personally why don't you just spell out the particular point of view you favor? I was struck by the same thing as JonF. Why do you assume it's an either/or? --Percy
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined:
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He also forgot to mention what happens if you try to bring the jobs from asia back to the US. How many people want to pay 50% or 100 % more for items at Walmart?
Or if the jobs will pay the same here as in China so the Walmart prices don't go way up who will be able to live on them in the US? As I understand the facts, a large fraction of the jobs didn't go to China anyway. They stayed in the US but robots do them now.
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JonF Member (Idle past 168 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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I didn't say right or left, I said obscenely rich. Try reading what I write instead of what you want me to write.
We should be developing and manufacturing more renewable energy sources. They are already economically advantageous in many situations, and rapidly gaining in many others. Unfortunately Trump has surrendered any leadership we had to China, and has tried to prop up dead-end coal. (some of the biggest coal fired generators are shutting down. Not economical.) We should be participating in the world-wide effort to reduce carbon output and increase sequestration. But we're not, because Trump pulled out of the Paris accord. The economic future is murkier. There are models that predict almost any possibility. Those steps definite do not necessarily lead to economic disaster. But our present course is untenable. I think the right will continue to block any positive staps and the rest of the world won't be able to do enough. Mankind and much of our civilization will survive, but after an economc whirlwind that will make the Great Depression look like a minor hiccup. What will happen when the Midwest is too hot to grow wheat but Siberia is perfect?
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