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PaulK
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Message 2418 of 5796 (857661)
07-10-2019 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 2416 by Faith
07-10-2019 2:02 AM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
You are forgetting that this is something that happened a few years back. It started in 2016. Hannity was plugging it in 2017.

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Message 2420 of 5796 (857663)
07-10-2019 3:09 AM
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07-10-2019 2:11 AM


Re: Seth Rich BS exposed.
Neither Hannity nor Alex Jones are “conservative radio”, so I don’t see the relevance.

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Message 2685 of 5796 (861373)
08-20-2019 3:33 PM
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08-20-2019 3:12 PM


Re: Fox lies by omission about antifa
So you think that opposing Nazis is bad, that opposing Fascism is Fascism and apparently you want a return to the McCarthy witch-hunts.

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Message 2731 of 5796 (861428)
08-21-2019 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2716 by Faith
08-20-2019 8:47 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
By which you mean that the Left has to stop the TRUE accusations.
Explain to me why Trump’s characterisation of Mexican immigrants as - typically - drug dealers, criminals and rapists isn’t at the least xenophobic.
Explain to me why Trump enjoys so much support among White Supremacists.
Explain to me why you are less concerned by violent Right-wing extremists than you are about violent people who oppose them.
Explain to me how Laura Ingraham’s objections to brown people moving into white areas aren’t racist (as discussed here Message 1

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Message 2736 of 5796 (861433)
08-21-2019 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 2734 by Faith
08-21-2019 3:27 AM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
I said what I mean.
I guess this is another example of your redefinition of truth then.
quote:
Because he didn't say it was "typical," he was talking about the fact that we are getting drug dealers, criminals and rapists along with all the others. Which you'd know if you used a single brain cell to figure it out.
Obviously he did imply that it is typical. Getting a few bad apples among immigrants is normal, wherever they are from.
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Because he supports the culture and they don't know the difference.
That’s because there isn’t a difference.
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I rarely hear about right wing extremists from normal people, they are very rare. It's only where the Left has a stake in magnifying their existence that I ever even hear about them, and considering the source I have no reason to take any of it seriously.
I guess that’s because you prefer sources that support right-wing extremists. But certainly the shootings at El Paso are a clear example that you should have heard of. The Proud Boys demonstration in Portland is another recent example.
And we know that you reject sources because they tell the truth.
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I didn't hear her say it but assuming she did I'd say it is racist, but I'd prefer it if she pointed out the cultural problems rather than focusing on race because it's really the cultural problems that matter.
Then it is interesting that you were defending her not long after she made those remarks.

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Message 2748 of 5796 (861454)
08-21-2019 2:40 PM
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08-21-2019 2:30 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
The context was "xenophobia" which refers to the whole pool of potential immigrants
So basically you are arguing that all the good immigrants go to countries other than the US. If that’s true then there is something wrong with the US.

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Message 2754 of 5796 (861468)
08-21-2019 4:44 PM
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08-21-2019 4:03 PM


Re: terrorist attacks
Also, a number of right-wingers have been arrested before they can carry out attacks. Most recently this guy in New Jersey
In his car he had
semi-automatic assault handgun, a 9mm semi-automatic assault pistol with a high-capacity magazine, a loaded 9mm pistol, two barrels sawed off from a double-barrel shotgun, a sight for an assault rifle and a stripped AR-15 bolt carrier
In his home the police found
14 more firearms, including assault rifles, shotguns, and handguns, authorities said. They also found four high-capacity magazines, ammunition, a grenade launcher, silencer tubes and a ballistics vest,
And
Inside both the vehicle and the home, police found clothing and bumper stickers with white supremacist and Neo-Nazi slogans along with a document containing racist material and purporting to be an instruction manual for owning a slave,
As well as drugs.

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Message 2770 of 5796 (861538)
08-23-2019 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2765 by Faith
08-22-2019 5:37 PM


Re: The Left has to stop the false accusations
quote:
There ARE drug dealers, criminals and rapists coming across the border and that's what Trump is talking about
That’s probably true of all borders. And is is true that the American public includes drug dealers, criminals and racists. That hardly justifies Trumps characterisation of Mexican immigrants in general.
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Thank you for the quote which proves that Laura Ingraham did NOT say anything racist. I trusted PaulK when I shouldn't have. It's just the usual way of characterizing anyone who has a problem with illegal immigration changing the character of the nation.
Ingraham specifically said that the problem was only connected to immigration. If you had chosen to check - I linked to the discussion so you could - you would have seen that. So it certainly isn’t restricted to illegal immigration. That is just something you made up. But I guess lying to defend racists is fine with your God - certainly better than trusting an honest person telling the truth.

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Message 2773 of 5796 (861672)
08-25-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2772 by Faith
08-25-2019 1:10 PM


Re: Called out as racist? Here's help.
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The point is that racism is one weapon in an arsenal of character-assassinating weapons invented by Cultural Marxism to undermine the credibility of political opponents while avoiding ever taking their political arguments seriously
Cultural Marxism is just a right-wing conspiracy theory. And as we have seen the racism is real.
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It is currently specifically directed against Trump and his supporters.
Because Trump and his supporters embrace racism. It’s not exactly a secret. Or something you can cover up with silly conspiracy nonsense. Even though you feel compelled to try.
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The rational bases for any of Trump's political aims is completely ignored under a barrage of personal accusations.
Perhaps Trump would do better expressing a rational basis for his actions rather than spouting nonsense on Twitter. But I guess you can’t admit that that is a bigger problem than people daring to point out the racism and xenophobia among his supporters.
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This is how the nation is being destroyed. Call him a racist when he's not, call him a liar when he's just misspoken, bury his intended point under a mountain of innuendo and fake news.
I wonder how telling the truth about Trump could possibly destroy the nation. Ignoring climate change could do that - but Trump is the champion of that.
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There is no such thing as political discourse any more, just pile on the personal accusations and nobody has to bother thinking seriously about the real issues.
Not while we have screaming loons like you trying to shout down the real issues.

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Message 2776 of 5796 (861677)
08-25-2019 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2775 by Faith
08-25-2019 1:45 PM


Re: Called out as racist? Here's help.
If you seriously think that Trump’s trade war with China is being criticised because of Trump’s appeals to racism and xenophobia then you are completely out of touch with reality.
When Trump claims that trade wars are easy to win or that the Chinese are paying the tariffs he set it’s far from clear that the policy has any rational basis - and even Trump sees the risks to the US economy (now) - hence his recent demand that the Federal Reserve reduce interest rates by a whole point.
Ranting about nutty conspiracy theories in an effort to silence criticism of Trump - and ignoring the real issues - is hardly a contribution to political discourse. It’s just an attempt to silence it.

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Message 2782 of 5796 (861689)
08-25-2019 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2777 by Faith
08-25-2019 2:14 PM


Re: Called out as racist? Here's help.
quote:
At least one analyst says it's not really a trade war we're in with China but really another cold war, since they are out to destroy us completely
That is silly because it is the tactics and strategies used which decide the label. Trump chooses to fight with tariffs - a tax on American companies who buy the affected goods from China. The Chinese retaliate in kind. That makes it a trade war.

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Message 2798 of 5796 (861737)
08-26-2019 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2795 by Faith
08-25-2019 8:11 PM


Re: So predictable
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Of course. As I said, there is only whatever side you're on, there is no such thing as respecting the other side, there is only war.
So at least you know you brought it upon yourself. Maybe you should try showing respect for the other side.
quote:
There wasn't really any need to bring it up, the result was predictable, but maybe it's a good thing to demonstrate it from time to time.
I thought you hated your treatment here. But now you think it’s good to invite it ?

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Message 2801 of 5796 (861764)
08-26-2019 3:24 PM


Report on Right Wing Violence
Antifa gets the headlines but the Right is - surprise, surprise - worse.
Portland Mercury
An anti-facist has been working inside Patriot Prayer and documenting and filming their activities.
As the group waits, they discuss their weaponry. A few men try to guess which way the wind's blowing to avoid getting "spray" in their eyes, presumably when they use it against members of antifa. Another man holds a thick wooden dowel, and practices swinging it like a baseball bat. A woman carries a red brick in her hand. Some don goggles, helmets, and tactical gloves
...
[Andy] Ngo doesn’t film any of the conversations, and smiles when the group cracks jokes.
He overheard everything, Ben recalls, and said nothing.
Since this May Day clash, Patriot Prayer and its supporters have uploaded edited clips of the fight to social media, trying to prove that their unprovoked attack was actually an act of self defense.

  
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Message 2820 of 5796 (862629)
09-08-2019 1:26 PM


One of the Deplorables
A Trump supporter arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot up a Walmart. (Raw Story
Another post featured a shirtless man agents noted fits Clayton’s description posed with a rifle in front of a Trump banner, while wearing a flag bandanna over his face and holding a bottle of bourbon.
He calls himself a White Nationalist and a registered Republican and doesn’t like being called a Nazi because he doesn’t quite understand the economic principles of Naziism (so I guess the anti-semitism is fine by him).
Edited by PaulK, : Corrected last sentence

  
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Message 2936 of 5796 (863946)
10-03-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2935 by Faith
10-03-2019 2:09 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
quote:
Why are you all carrying on about the Biden comments when the phone call was primarily about the Ukraine's involvement in helping Hillary win back in 2016 and that's what Trump was asking about, not Biden
In the phone call Trump definitely asked that Biden’s son should be investigated as a favour to him. Even if there wasn’t the issue of military aid, a President should not be using his position to make trouble for political rivals.
As for the rest, Trump’s fantasy about a server with DNC emails being somewhere in the Ukraine came up, but that’s going nowhere.
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AND then Adam Schiff completely made up what Trump said, for which he should be convicted of treason according to people I've been hearing, especially since what he made up was designed to make Trump look as bad as possible, as all the Left's conjurings are designed to do.
From what I’ve heard Schiff simply paraphrased the transcript. Which already made Trump look very bad. But Trump wants him arrested for treason over that which just proves that Trump really wants to be a tinpot dictator,
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The Biden thing came up later in the conversation, had NOTHING to do with the upcoming election, and if you hear Biden on the audio where he brags about withholding aid to Ukraine unless they fire this prosecutor within the next six hours, you ought to recognize that HE was the one strongarming a foreign leader, not Trump, whatever the reason for wanting the prosecutor gone might turn out to be.
Where is this audio? Though I have to point out that it still wouldn’t make Biden as bad as Trump. For that you’d need to prove personal advantage, not campaigning against corruption.

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