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Author Topic:   Christianity Needs to Return to Being a Good Example
Phat
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Message 48 of 57 (861751)
08-26-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Stile
08-26-2019 8:24 AM


Re: Missionary: FAIL??
Stile writes:

Let me get this straight...

Are you suggesting that since there's a slim chance some bad stuff might happen in the future... that this is a valid excuse to do bad things today?

First off, lets be specific. What bad things are we discussing? Forcing ones views?

Do I come across as forcing anyone to believe? At worst, I feel as if I try and get people (like you) to consider my positions and that their conclusions may be premature. Its a bit like a good beer. If you find one that you really like, don't you try and get your friends to try it? Forcing them to try it would be too extreme of course.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 56 of 57 (861831)
08-27-2019 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Stile
08-27-2019 2:09 PM


Re: Missionary: FAIL??
Stile writes:

Now it's your turn to be specific.
Do you agree with my scale? (If not - feel free to create another.)
Where do you find yourself on it?
Where do you see me?


Your scale seems ok for the purpose for discussion. Politics is another strong topic, and we both know that it can land quite squarely on #4 much of the time.

and whats odd is that the way that Christ is perceived through the eyes of many apologists is strikingly like #6! I see you as an advocate of more of a live and let live type of Deity (or Deityless human spiritual reality) You might see Jesus..if He existed...as empathetic to the individual feelings, beliefs, and preferences of His audience rather than One sent by an authoritarian God to warn us of our inability to achieve the necessary standard. You are nearly a #1. You believe strongly that humans *should* eternally and always have free will, even to the point of freely rejecting an authoritarian God, should One exist. One thing is appearing increasingly probable: People tend to *know* what conforms most closely to their pre-existing beliefs.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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