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Minnemooseus
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Message 286 of 291 (858700)
07-22-2019 11:35 PM


Franken ‘Absolutely’ Regrets Resigning From The Senate
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/...gret-resigning-senate-metoo

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Former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) says he “absolutely” regrets resigning from the Senate, adding that he wishes he had appeared before the Senate Ethics Committee to let more details of the sexual harrasment accusations come to light.

A stunning number of current senators told the New Yorker, on the record, that they regret the haste with which they’d joined in calls for Franken’s resignation. They include Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Angus King (I-ME), Jeff Merkley (D-OR) and Tom Udall (D-NM).

Read Jane Mayer’s deep dive on the photo that ended Franken’s career — and the reaction it elicited — here.


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Former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) says he “absolutely” regrets resigning from the Senate, adding that he wishes he had appeared before the Senate Ethics Committee to let more details of the sexual harrasment accusations come to light.

"Harrasment" is their spelling. My spell check says the below is correct.

I've thought that the one question I would have liked to ask Al is "Why didn't you submit yourself to the Senate Ethics Committee to let more details of the sexual harassment accusations come to light?

More from the New Yorker link:

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Franken’s fall was stunningly swift: he resigned only three weeks after Leeann Tweeden, a conservative talk-radio host, accused him of having forced an unwanted kiss on her during a 2006 U.S.O. tour. Seven more women followed with accusations against Franken; all of them centered on inappropriate touches or kisses. Half the accusers’ names have still not become public. Although both Franken and Tweeden called for an independent investigation into her charges, none took place. This reticence reflects the cultural moment: in an era when women’s accusations of sexual discrimination and harassment are finally being taken seriously, after years of belittlement and dismissal, some see it as offensive to subject accusers to scrutiny. “Believe Women” has become a credo of the #MeToo movement.

At his house, Franken said he understood that, in such an atmosphere, the public might not be eager to hear his grievances. Holding his head in his hands, he said, “I don’t think people who have been sexually assaulted, and those kinds of things, want to hear from people who have been #MeToo’d that they’re victims.” Yet, he added, being on the losing side of the #MeToo movement, which he fervently supports, has led him to spend time thinking about such matters as due process, proportionality of punishment, and the consequences of Internet-fuelled outrage.


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Message 287 of 291 (858703)
07-23-2019 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Percy
11-18-2018 12:28 PM


Re: A Little More Avenatti News (Very Little)
So if LAPD is still investigating then they could not yet have charged Avenatti with anything, yet the previous report I cited said the LAPD had claimed he'd been charged, while there's nothing in the news quoting anyone in the LAPD nor an LAPD report saying this.

Meaning he's been arrested (charged) and is being held on Probable Cause, more than likely because it was reported as a domestic issue where there is a higher probability that a furtherance of violence will continue in the absence of direct intervention. Holding someone on Probable Cause (51% more probable than it is 49% improbable) based on a preliminary investigation is standard protocol. It then gets routed (probably in this case a Family/Domestic Violence Unit) who investigates further. Based on their secondary investigation, either charges are dropped or the DA's office picks up the case for prosecution. Then the defendant and attorney(s) work with the DA to decide whether they want to take a plea deal or fight it in open court.

So in this case it sounds like he's been charged but not convicted.

Regarding the recent LAPD arrest I remain perplexed and await more news. Either Aventti's in trouble for domestic abuse, or someone else is in trouble for filing a false report and (if the report is true that the LAPD had been shown visible injuries) fabricating evidence.

Most states now, California for certain, lawfully require patrol officers to make an arrest where there is either visible or bodily injury or a complaint of pain. And the officers have to determine who is the Primary Aggressor and who is the Predominant Aggressor (more often than not its the same person). But its not always a fun job and often times it can be difficult to piece together relevant facts when both parties are injured and their stories are diametrically opposed. Requires giving them a Miranda Warning and digging deep into their statements to look for internal inconsistencies or testimonies that don't align with the evidence.

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Message 288 of 291 (858709)
07-23-2019 8:17 AM


The Case of Al Franken
The New Yorker has just ran an investigative article on The Case of Al Franken. This is a l-o-n-g article but well worth reading, especially if you're a Franken supporter.

The gist is that the Tweeden charges have some serious holes, and that unbeknownst to us at the time Tweeden is an arch conservative who works for the most conservative TV outlet in Los Angeles. This outlet was instrumental in managing the release of her story by first making the groping photograph public and later providing her account. Tweeden didn't make herself available for the article.

But the stories of the seven other women who came forward largely hold up, though not all made themselves available to the reporter.

The bottom line seems to be that Franken should have had a chance to face a hearing before the Ethics Committee so that the charges could have been properly investigated. I hope he somehow finds his way back into the Senate.

--Percy


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Message 289 of 291 (858808)
07-24-2019 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Percy
07-23-2019 8:17 AM


Re: The Case of Al Franken
The gist is that the Tweeden charges have some serious holes, and that unbeknownst to us at the time Tweeden is an arch conservative who works for the most conservative TV outlet in Los Angeles.

Right from the beginning it was known that Tweeden was/is a Trump supporter with ties to Fox news. And it was the bogus (bad joke at worst) Tweeden photo that set off the frenzy. Short of a Tweeden confession, we'll never know if she was an active participant in the posing of that photo, but such is my suspicion.

But the stories of the seven other women who came forward largely hold up, though not all made themselves available to the reporter.

As I remember it, the bulk of these were "butt touching" incidents during photograph takings at the Minnesota state fair. I, for more reasons that one, wished these had been investigated/discussed more - On the lighter side I see the phrase "Buttgate" as the title of the scandal. But, as I've said before, Franken probably posed for hundreds of these photos. In the situations of large crowds of people, lots of cameras, and Franken being a center of attention, might someone have photo-captured one of these "butt touches"

The only Franken with a woman photo I've seen (available upthread somewhere), for better or worse, showed no sign of where Franken's hands were. The (fairly low resolution) photo I saw did show signs of the photoshop removal of Franken's hand from the woman's shoulder. Or maybe it was a photoshop to remove a hand that was never there in the first place, just to confuse things more. Anyway, that woman was also on record as being a Trump supporter. How many Trump supporter women might there be, willing to take part in a smear of a substantial opponent of the Trump agenda?

Yes, Franken has admitted to being a hugger (and I now don't phrase that as what you once interpreted as a (wink wink) "hugger"). So indeed, Franken may well have been guilty of being a little too physically affectionate. But doing such in a place with lots of people and lots of cameras? That seems to be a pretty poor way to hide your evilness. I guess any future Franken with a woman photos need to have Al waving his hands up in the air.

The bottom line seems to be that Franken should have had a chance to face a hearing before the Ethics Committee so that the charges could have been properly investigated.

I don't know if his once stating that he wanted an Ethics Committee hearing went so far as he or anyone else formally requesting such. It seemed that no one wanted to let good procedure stand in the way of running a pervert out of the Senate.

I hope he somehow finds his way back into the Senate.

I checked it out a while back, and he would have been (and Tina Smith is) up for reelection in the fall of 2020. Pending what new information comes out in the meantime, I'd go with Franken in a Franken/Smith primary confrontation. It's not looking promising that the Amy Klobuchar Senate seat is going to be coming open in 2020/2021.

Maybe the whole mess was to eliminate the possibility of a Franken vs Trump Presidential battle in 2020??? I've said it before and I'll say it again, who has better credentials with confronting "big fat idiots"? What would happen if Trump would have mouthed off like he did to Hillary, but it had been Franken as his opponent? Isn't there some saying about the dangers of heckling a professional comedian? Not that Franken was much if at all a comedian as a Senator.

Moose


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Message 290 of 291 (861783)
08-26-2019 9:49 PM


Franken Anounces Run for Senate
http://gregladen.com/...8/26/franken-anounces-run-for-senate

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quote:
Today, a Climate Hawk is announcing his candidacy in the crowded Iowa Democratic Party primary for the chance to send Koch-funded, Koch-created, Koch-parroting climate-science denier Jodi Ernst to the pasture.

As his announcement video makes clear, Iowa farm boy Vice Admiral Mike Franken, U.S. Navy (retired), places climate change as core to his priorities, as core to his campaign, as core to his understanding of Iowans’ concerns about today and tomorrow.



A quote of a quote.

Gave me quite a rush when I saw the headline.

Not that I really have anything against Senator Tina Smith, but I think the other Franken should primary her this coming election.

Moose


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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

"Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose


    
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Message 291 of 291 (861966)
08-29-2019 10:53 PM


Gillibrand Campaign Insiders Felt Franken Resignation Foiled Her Bid
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/...aign-al-franken-resignation

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According to a Politico report Thursday, people from inside the Gillibrand campaign acknowledged that being the first Democratic senator to call for the resignation of former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) last year over sexual misconduct allegations most likely played into the challenges she faced during her campaign, especially when it came to fundraising. Franken has said he “absolutely” regrets resigning.

A couple of links in that paragraph at the source.

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“Franken was definitely a problem in terms of fundraising,” a person familiar with the Gillibrand campaign told Politico. “He just kept coming up, over and over again.”

Jen Palmieri, Hillary Clinton’s former communications director, shared a similar sentiment on there being “no question” that the Franken resignation had a “huge, outsized impact” on Gillibrand’s campaign.

“The sub-current of her entire candidacy was the Franken resignation, and people unfairly pinning that on her,” Palmieri told Politico. “It’s a crowded field, and it’s hard for all the candidates, but that really hampered her.”


Franken screwed up her political career by resigning???

Moose


    
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