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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Stile writes:
All the evidence you give is by looking at results. I can just as easily look at the results involving thoughts of self giving love and claim that it proves there is a god. By observing the evidence.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Stile writes:
I can prove that people exisy and that people have emotions and are capable of empathy. That requires something beyond a collection of mindless chemicals. Therefore there is a god.
I can prove that people exist, and that people have feelings, and that people are capable of extraordinary things that some people would call miracles. And you can "just as easily" prove there is a god? Feel free.I'm waiting. I know that is isn't proof to the point that I can say that I know there is a god, but I'm using the same logic that you are using to come to your conclusion.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: But there is evidence. We know about Julius Caesar as someone wrote about him. We know about Jesus and His resurrection because people wrote about it. No. Not in advance. Just based on the evidence ... of which there is only null evidence. You can say that the evidence can't be verified, that they were wrong or even lying but the fact remains, it is evidence. Also, we exist with intelligence and a knowledge of morality and with the ability to empathize . That requires an explanation for which there is either an intelligent root or a non-intelligent root. It does leave a choice. As there is a choice it is evidence to be considered.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: You are only talking about the amount of support from other sources for the evidence. That in no way eliminates the Gospel accounts as being evidence.
We know about Julius Caesar because not only did someone write about him but because *everyone* contemporary to the time wrote about him, from historians and court scribes to kings of other empires, their historians and their court scribes. AZPaul3 writes: You again are only talking about the quality of the evidence. Again, what you say does absolutely nothing to refute the fact that the Gospel accounts are evidence.
A generation later that same world of kings, historians and court scribes, most telling the ones in the middle east, say not a word about this Jesus and his astounding miracles that would, if true, have made headlines and noteworthy mention all over the region instead of just a handful of religious tomes written by ghostwriters a century+ later. There are none. AZPaul3 writes: The Gospel weren't simply original material. They were as Luke describes compilations of earlier material. Paul had access to eyewitnesses as we have him meeting with James and other contemporaries of Jesus. However, that isn't the point. You again are talking about the quality of what is clearly evidence.
Is this because the devil hid all the accounts or because there was nothing of note to record? AZPaul3 writes: Sure, because a world wide flood would leave evidence that just isn't there but that was written by different authors several centuries earlier.
Like with evidence of the flud we have to not only look at what is in the record but what *is not* in the body of the contemporary record that should be there if the stories were true. AZPaul3 writes: It sure is, and we can only stand back in amazement when we consider the intelligence required to design and implement it. Evolution is amazing isn’t it!He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: You keep giving the reasons that you discount the evidence, which simply makes the point that the Gospels are evidence or you wouldn't have anything to discount. The gospels, written well after the supposed events, have no more efficacy than Homer's accounts of Troy. Troy was a real place, but Achilles? Not so much. Because of their history the gospels are suspect at best and cannot be counted as evidence. But, let us grant your view. They are hearsay. The embellished recording of an oral history just like the Iliad and the flud. The darth of contemporary evidence corollary to the events is far more compelling. And they say nothing about Jesus and his miracles. Your gospels do. But then coming back from the dead was all the rage throughout all the myths in human history. The gospels aren't anything special in that regard.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: I can't do better than Faith's reply. I also discount the fact of martians. Does that mean there are martians or I wouldn't have them to discount?He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Theodoric writes: And many people know the stories in your bible are fables. That is as much of a belief as what Phat writes and doesn't make it true either. My belief is that the Bible is a collection of mythologies, personal beliefs, or giving an account of events which may or may not have a cultural or personal bias. By faith we are called to sort out what God has to say to us collectively or as individuals to what is written through all of it.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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