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Author Topic:   The Dark Mountain Project: Secularism Gets Sober
GDR
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Message 7 of 27 (862037)
08-30-2019 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tangle
08-30-2019 4:26 PM


Tangle writes:

Phat, human history is replete with human disasters some of which result in enormous world events like WWI and II. These things will continue to happen because it's in our nature. We're still evolved apes no matter how we subdue our instincts with civilising social mechanisms.

This is the first time in human history that we have nuclear weapons that can be delivered globally. These weapons are starting to wind up in the hands of despots. The same can be said for biological weapons.

This IMHO has nothing to do with any theology. Progress isn't always what it is cracked up to be. I'd suggest if the world as we know it comes to an end it will be done by ourselves and not by the hand of God.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 10 of 27 (862048)
08-30-2019 6:47 PM
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08-30-2019 5:44 PM


Tangle writes:

Progress makes you possible. Without progress you almost certainly would have never existed but if you had you would have probably killed your mother in child birth and died of measles at the age of 5.

Sure, but it also has a dark side and maybe some day that dark side is going to overwhelm the positives. I hope and pray it doesn't.

Tangle writes:

But you are conflating the world coming to an end with H. sapiens becoming extinct. It would be sad for us, but the universe would not even notice.

I'm not so sure what will happen to the universe if we aren't here to perceive it but I don't have the depth of knowledge to go further with that. (Actually, I'm not at all sure any of us do but me probably least of all. )

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 15 of 27 (862066)
08-31-2019 2:46 AM
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08-31-2019 2:26 AM


Well, as I said I hope and pray that you are right.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 17 of 27 (862074)
08-31-2019 10:23 AM
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08-31-2019 2:58 AM


What have your secular institutions done?
quote:
The history of hospitals has stretched over 2500 years, starting with precursors in the Ascelpian temples in ancient Greece and then the military hospitals in ancient Rome, though no civilian hospital existed in the Roman empire until the Christian period.[1] Towards the end of the 4th century, the "second medical revolution"[2] took place with the founding of the first Christian hospital in the eastern Byzantine Empire by Basil of Caesarea, and within a few decades, such hospitals had become ubiquitous in Byzantine society.[3] The hospital would undergo development and progress throughout Byzantine, medieval European and Islamic societies, until the early modern era where care and healing would transition into a secular affair.[4]

From this wilk site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hospitals

...and it still happens all the time. Our small Anglican church provides about 50% of the funding for a home for young women in Uganda who would otherwise be in the street, we support a library in Ethiopia and a hospital in Kampala. We just had an event as a fund raiser for a seniors day program, the local hospital foundation and a local food bank. We had another fund raiser for the local humane society.

Just what have any of your local secular outfits done lately?


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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