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Faith 
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Message 616 of 953 (862140)
09-01-2019 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 613 by jar
09-01-2019 3:27 PM


Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
Yeah you all hate the actual fact that we were/are a Christian nation, and deny it as well. I've been watching the Netflix series "The Family" about a Christian organization that affects politics in the country, or tries to. One part that interested me particularly was an interview with a Russian Christian who belongs to the group, whose experience in this country led him to declare what a Christian country we are. He said people always tell him that's not true, that Americans are falling away from the churches and so on, but he responded that it's the morality, that the country is still saturated in Christian morality.
By which he meant the friendliness and the tolerance he'd been experiencing among other things, while Russia is full of corruption. Even in the Christian group he himself was trying to form there the people get into fights all the time, and there was film of them punching each other. \
\Anyway I thought that was interesting. What Christian morality is left here now, though, may well be gone as the next few generations take over.
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jar
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Message 617 of 953 (862141)
09-01-2019 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 616 by Faith
09-01-2019 9:00 PM


Re: Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
Faith writes:
Yeah you all hate the actual fact that we were/are a Christian nation, and deny it as well.
No, we simply point out and thank God our Constitution mandates that we never become a Christian Nation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 618 of 953 (862142)
09-01-2019 9:38 PM
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09-01-2019 9:00 PM


Re: Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
By which he meant the friendliness and the tolerance he'd been experiencing among other things....
At least until some Muslims try to hold a conference.

Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto

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Faith 
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Message 619 of 953 (862143)
09-01-2019 9:45 PM
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09-01-2019 9:38 PM


Re: Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
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jar
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Message 620 of 953 (862148)
09-02-2019 9:10 AM
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09-01-2019 9:45 PM


Re: Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
It's not that Christianity is just as bad a Islam but rather that fundamentalist religions of ALL flavors are not just bad, they are frighting. The bigger threat though is US Fundamentalist "Born Again" Christianity since if it ever gained power it actually has the ability to create Armageddon.

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Faith 
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Message 621 of 953 (862149)
09-02-2019 9:44 AM
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09-02-2019 9:10 AM


Re: Oh now we have to hear the big lie that Christianity is just as bad
Oh honestly. The term "fundamentalist" has become some kind of bugaboo that nobody really thinks about. All it means is that the fundamentals of the religion are being followed carefully by those who get called "fundamentalists," and if the fundamentals of the religion are very different from each other, which they are, the comparisons that are always made to claim they are the same thing are just plain ridiculous. The fundamentals of Christianity are FAR from the fundamentals of Islam. The religions couldn't be more different in their fundamentals.
For starters Christians are saved by the sacrifice of Christ so that gratitude is our starting point. Islam is one of the many religions that teach you have to follow the rules of the religion to be saved from hell, or saved into Paradise or whatever the formula is, and in the case of Islam getting saved can mean killing a bunch of "infidels" which makes Allah happy. On the other hand Christ taught dying to self, living for others, taking care of those who can't take care of themselves, doing good in the world for all and so on. Islam teaches some of that, but mostly teaches taking the world for Allah by one means or another, killing Muslims who reject their religion, subjugating nonMuslims, killing Jews and Christians when they are seen as a threat to islam and so on. Mohammed murdered whole community of Jews who refused to convert to his new religion. If anything like that happened in the history of Christianity it happened AGAINST the fundamental teachings of Christianity, but in Islam it IS fundamentalism.
The two different "fundamentalisms" are entirely different.
"Create Armageddon" What on EARTH can that mean? That term applies to a war that is PROPHESIED for the very end of time, which I believe means a whole thousand years after Christ's second coming. It is not part of His second coming as I understand it but somehow it is taken to refer to something that is to come soon. In any case nobody I know of even mentions "Armageddon," it's a popular idea rather than a Christian teaching. When we talk of the end times we first of all think of the Rapture of believers, then the coming of the Antichrist to rule the world. Armageddon doesn't enter into this scenario, but even if it did it would be at the very end of it, then end of a chain of events that may be more of a threat than that war anyway.
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JonF
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Message 622 of 953 (862150)
09-02-2019 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 615 by Faith
09-01-2019 8:43 PM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
Your grandchildren will live in a very different climate. Catastrophically different.
It's clear that Trump is thinking of many more than five years. Given his and his followers' hate for the Constitution, it's of some concern.

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Faith 
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Message 623 of 953 (862151)
09-02-2019 10:16 AM
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09-02-2019 10:04 AM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
I think this bizarre paranoia about Trump is probably going to be the cause of more dangerous stuff than anything Trump or his supporters do. The fantasies about him are made up of politically motivated lies to try to turn people against him, or fake news, and unfortunately they are believed by the followers of the people who concoct them. He's basically a good guy who wants to do good for the country, but his politics aren't the politics of the Left and the Left makes up a persona for him that is so far from the truth THAT's what's scary, and that's really the whole story of how the nation is going to collapse.
Well no, to that has to be added the growing Communist frame of mind of the Left, and the total incomprehension about what islam is, and maybe that is the whole story, or maybe there's more.
It's of course the Left that is destroying the Constitution, I guess because of revisionist leftist interpretations.
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Chiroptera
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Message 624 of 953 (862152)
09-02-2019 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 623 by Faith
09-02-2019 10:16 AM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
I think this bizarre paranoia about Trump is probably going to be the cause of more dangerous stuff than anything Trump or his supporters do.
Two things in this post jump out at me. One is that I got a chuckle that you accuse others of "bizarre paranoia".
The other is that I notice you didn't deny the possibility that Trump would try to stay in office past his four year term or that you'd finally have to oppose him if he were to take such blatantly unconstitutional steps.
Would you like to clarify your stand on this?

Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto

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JonF
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Message 625 of 953 (862154)
09-02-2019 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 623 by Faith
09-02-2019 10:16 AM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
We oppose Trump because of his pathological lying, destruction of our environment, destruction of our standing in the world, crusade against workers and safety, and monumental corruption.
You've made it clear that you are against freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the plainly stated birthright citizenship, and the Constitutional rights of non-citizens legal and illegal. Why not the 22nd amendment?
I would love to see you explain why the "send sick legal kids back to die" policy is a good idea. To me it means "No furriners welcome under any circumstances, and there's nothing too barbaric for us in this quest. Message 3274
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Faith 
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Message 626 of 953 (862159)
09-02-2019 3:06 PM
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09-02-2019 10:37 AM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
The idea that Trump plans to stay in office beyond the normal terms is so absurd there was nothing to answer. That's part of the paranoia I was talking about. The things you all think about him are outside any set of facts that make any sense at all to me.

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Faith 
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Message 627 of 953 (862160)
09-02-2019 3:07 PM
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09-02-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
Maybe I'll try to come back and say something sensible about that weird list of lies about me and about Trump, but it's so depressing I'm not sure.

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JonF
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Message 628 of 953 (862161)
09-02-2019 3:26 PM
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09-02-2019 3:06 PM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
He's referred to staying in office several times. Have you ever seen him laugh? He doesn't joke.

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JonF
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Message 629 of 953 (862163)
09-02-2019 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by Faith
09-02-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
Pick one and I'll give you ten examples. I notice you aren't trying to defend any of his actions.
I would love to see you explain why the "send sick legal kids back to die" policy is a good idea. To me it means "No furriners welcome under any circumstances, and there's nothing too barbaric for us in this quest. Message 3274.
I take you approve of killing those legal immigrants.

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Faith 
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Message 630 of 953 (862164)
09-02-2019 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by JonF
09-02-2019 3:30 PM


Re: Protests and counter protests at Islamic conference
I know better than to take anything straight that a leftist tells me, JF, sorry. If you are right it sounds like a terrible thing, but I'm likely to find out that it means something entirely different than you present it and since I've heard about it from no other source than you I'm sorry but I don't trust it enough to comment. The whole point is to be able to accuse me of something really scurrilous like approving of killing immigrants, the whole leftist method is to trap people in such things in order to make us out to be monsters. That's what you do to Trump. There is no reason at all to think you have any kind of reasonable understanding of any of these things and I don't want to find out later that your version is so twisted I should never have accepted it and that does happen.

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