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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I'm probably walking out on a pretty thin branch commenting on British politics, but aren't requests like this to the monarch just a formality, always rubber stamped? Appears you are right Percy. The latest update is that Parliament will in fact be suspended starting in September:
quote: Parliament suspension: Queen approves PM's plan - BBC News
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
She could refuse, but convention is that she won't.
I believe the last time a king intervened it caused a civil war. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
So what is the likelihood that a vote of no confidence in the government can still occur? Do MPs have enough time to do that before parliament is suspended? I think there is a few days in September that could still allow them to do that.
If the vote is successful, does that have the possibility of negating the suspension of parliament?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
From what I hear, they're going for a legal challenge first. But this has come out of the blue, the opposition is playing catchup.
btw, Queenie has now agreed.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
From what I hear, they're going for a legal challenge first. But this has come out of the blue, the opposition is playing catchup. btw, Queenie has now agreed. This article from the BBC does a nice job summing things up: Brexit and suspending Parliament: What just happened? - BBC News Some key points:
quote: quote: quote: Incidentally, the Sterling just took a hit as well. Wonder where it might end up after all this is done.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Diomedes writes: Incidentally, the Sterling just took a hit as well. Wonder where it might end up after all this is done. Hopefully at Par with the Euro but maybe Par with the Dollar.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: Boris Johnson faces showdown in Parliament - BBC News Should be an interesting week in British politics.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Things just got a bit more tricky for Boris.
quote: Phillip Lee quits Tories, leaving government without a majority | Conservatives | The Guardian Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It looks like the rebel MPs have at least crossed the first hurdle with regards to procedure, since the House Speaker has granted them the opportunity to debate and potentially take control of the House of Common's agenda:
quote:Brexit: No-deal opponents argue for Commons control - BBC News What I am trying to wrap my head around is if they succeed, Johnson will likely call for an election. However, he needs a two-thirds majority for that to succeed and from what I read, he likely won't get it. So you will effectively have a Parliament who wants to delay Brexit (or outright cancel it) and a PM that doesn't want to ask for a further extension or cancel Brexit. Legislatively, I am not certain if Parliament can ask the EU for an extension on their own. I am wondering if this might turn into another round of indicative voting like before, which yielded nothing. Also not sure how the House of Lords factors into this and whether they can approve or block certain legislative acts. Maybe the Brits on this board can chime in on that.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The plan is to pass a bill which requires the PM to ask for an extension rather than crash out with No Deal. I can see BoJo ignoring it and letting the crash out happen anyway.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
The plan is to pass a bill which requires the PM to ask for an extension rather than crash out with No Deal. I can see BoJo ignoring it and letting the crash out happen anyway. That is kind of the aspect of things I really don't understand. Can he ignore it, or is he beholden to the will of Parliament in this circumstance? I honestly don't get the legislative aspect of all these shenanigans.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
it would be illegal to ignore it, but illegal isn’t the same as impossible.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
OK, so Parliament now controls Parliament rather than the government controlling Parliament.
No friggin idea how that works but then I can't understand why Queenie doesn't just dissolve the whole lot and, now that Theresa May is no longer on the scene, take Boris' head. So the PM threatens snap elections. What threaten? Seems the only reasonable thing to do but only about a year late. So now what? BTW, what does it mean that the gov't no longer "controls" Parliament? Was it just a government rubber stamp up 'til now?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
BTW, what does it mean that the gov't no longer "controls" Parliament? Was it just a government rubber stamp up 'til now?
i believe it means that the government no longer gets to decide what bills are to be voted on. disclaimer: not a UK person.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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