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Author Topic:   Conversion "Therapy" -- torture the gay away ...?
RAZD
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Message 1 of 10 (862405)
09-04-2019 4:57 PM


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Conversion Therapy Founder Comes Out Publicly as Gay After 20 Years of Leading Homophobic Program
McKrae Game founded Hope for Wholeness, a faith-based conversion therapy program in South Carolina, in 1999
McKrae Game, the man who founded one of the largest conversion therapy programs in the country and led the homophobic organization for 20 years, has come out as gay.
Back in 1999, Game, 51, started Truth Ministry, a faith-based conversion therapy program in South Carolina, which aims to suppress or completely change a person’s LGBTQ+ sexuality through counseling, interventions, or ministry. The organization was eventually rebranded and renamed as Hope for Wholeness in 2013.
Two decades after its founding, however, Game who once vehemently preached that being gay would send someone to hell has now come out as gay to the world.
His decision to go public with his truth comes a little over two years after he was abruptly fired from the organization that he spent a great deal of his life dedicated to. In those 20 years working for them, Game also wrestled with his true identity.
I struggled more so trying to deny [my attraction to men] than being able to accept my attractions and say, ‘I am a gay man,' he said in a recent interview with the Post and Courier. I was a hot mess for 26 years and I have more peace now than I ever did.
... I believe ex-gay ministry is a lie; conversion therapy is not just a lie, it’s very harmful, he continued. [Especially] when it takes it to the point of, ‘You need to change and here’s a curriculum, here’s how you do it, and you haven’t changed yet, keep at it, it’ll happen.'
I was a religious zealot that hurt people, Game explained to the outlet. People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?
So much of it is trying to change people and fix people. It’s a lie and we have harmed generations of people, he said. We’ve done wrong, we need to admit our wrongs, and do what we can do to stop the wrong from continuing to happen.
Mental torture of people to try to "convert" them only makes them more distraught and suicidal, because it doesn't change the nature of the people, only their perceptions of themselves.
Sad.

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Message 5 of 10 (862534)
09-06-2019 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Stile
09-05-2019 9:53 AM


atonement needed, maybe prosecution
I was a religious zealot that hurt people, Game explained to the outlet. People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?
... We’ve done wrong, we need to admit our wrongs, and do what we can do to stop the wrong from continuing to happen.
It's nice that he wants to stop this horrid process now, but what I want to know is how he will atone for the deaths and misery he has caused, not just to the people he "counseled" but to their families and friends? How will he stop others from continuing this horrid process?
If he is the cause of suicides, then isn't there some legal issue here: there is a case in the news where a girl goaded a boy to suicide, and she is being prosecuted ...
quote:
Cops: Mass. girl, 18, encouraged boy to take his life
BOSTON - An 18-year-old Massachusetts girl is charged with involuntary manslaughter after authorities say she encouraged a male friend to commit suicide in 2014, reports CBS Boston.
The Bristol District Attorney's Office told CBS Boston Michelle Carter was indicted on February 5 after a lengthy investigation found she "strongly influenced" Roy's decision to kill himself.
I await further news.
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Message 8 of 10 (862584)
09-07-2019 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Stile
09-06-2019 10:12 AM


Re: atonement needed, maybe prosecution
I think putting such a thing on his shoulders alone is a bit much.
It's a start. Personally I think this abuse of children is as horrific as the priest molestation issue, hushed up by churches and complicit parents and congregations that want to believe two false beliefs:
  1. that homosexuality is bad, "unnatural," and
  2. that it can be "cured" (or at least hidden back in the closets)
We know it is "natural" because other species show similar behavior ... the definition of natural: behavior found in nature.
We also know that your sexual identity is in your genetic/development bones, that there are zero incidents of it being "cured" by any means.
But I won't let that stop me from allowing him to move forward - as long as his "moving forward" doesn't involve hurting others.
But that path is not his alone to make, there are parents and families and friends - the collateral damage - caused by his tormenting these children sent to him at his solicitation. Parents and families of suicide victims could sue him and the others he worked with in court. This would make the issue more public, and likely bring out instances of more victims.
And him coming out and saying the things he's said - that's more power and has done more "to stop this" than I have ever done in my life. Therefore - he's already ahead of me.
But he created the problem in the first place, his effort "to stop this" is only part of undoing (if that is possible now) what he has done.
You haven't robbed a bank either, so you aren't responsible for bank robbery and don't have to atone for it. You're further ahead from the start.
I am not against legal action against the man in any way.
If there's a case, I think it should be pursued. In that sense - I support legal action against him.
We are all responsible for our actions and how they effect others.
And we are responsible as a society for dealing appropriately with those who misbehave, and for taking care of the victims of misbehavior. That's why we have laws against abuse and discrimination, laws to enforce or modify when necessary to reflect our social morality.
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RAZD
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Message 9 of 10 (862585)
09-07-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ramoss
09-06-2019 10:40 PM


the sad fallout from Conversion "Therapy"
... forced to go to a 'conversion therapy' camp when they were 16 by their parents. ...
She was in camp with 12 other people. They used aversion therapy, shock therapy, baptismal font to pray the gay away (immersion into cold water underwater until almost drowned) . When she was living with me at about 3 or 4 years ago, one of the people that went there died of an OD. At that point, out of the 13 folks that went to that session, 7 were dead. There were 5 over doeses, and 2 suicides. I know for many years she was highly suicidal... although she recovered and now is leading a productive life.
This makes me sad/furious, this toll on young lives. The parents believed - were told by their church - that conversion was possible, while the evidence shows this is no more possible than to change the color of your skin.
One thing the camp did not do is change her orientation. She's still as gay as ever, and flaming at that.
Indeed. It may even make some more "flaming" is response, more convinced of her nature, that it survived this torment.
... There were 5 over doeses, and 2 suicides. ...
Greater than 50% of the children killed by this therapy. This is horrific.
Turning to drugs to escape the torment is a form of mental suicide (escape) imho. What is needed is remedial therapy and restitution.
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