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Thugpreacha
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Message 1 of 53 (848937)
02-18-2019 6:10 PM


We are negotiating again in Colorado for our next contract.
King Soopers, Union Remain a Long Way Apart on New Labor Deal and so far the process is deadlocked.

I have attended most of the meetings and am watching the process play out. We are advocating fair and balanced proposals for all of the employees...not just the senior ones. Our proposals seem reasonable, and given that the corporations got their major tax cut from Trump, one would think that they could help take care of the rest of us. Stay tuned.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 2 of 53 (848953)
02-19-2019 10:55 AM
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02-18-2019 6:10 PM


“one would think” -
Yeah, if one were a good wishful thinker, maybe. 🤢

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Message 3 of 53 (849000)
02-20-2019 2:56 PM
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02-18-2019 6:10 PM


Phat writes:

Our proposals seem reasonable...


Some of them should have been mandated by government decades ago.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 4 of 53 (849001)
02-20-2019 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Thugpreacha
02-18-2019 6:10 PM


, and given that the corporations got their major tax cut from Trump, one would think that they could help take care of the rest of us.

why would they do that?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Thugpreacha
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Message 5 of 53 (849158)
02-26-2019 3:57 PM


Labor Update
I posted a message to our local's Facebook page to better explain the negotiating process to everyone.
quote:
Bargaining 101

The process basically works like this.
1) A committee of members from a wide variety of stores and positions and classifications from across the state is formed. It represents a broad consensus of workers from all departments, all seniority levels, and all regions of Colorado. (This was done last year at the time of the survey) Based on the survey input from employees, the committee decides what major modifications to push to improve the contract.
2) The company sends around 7 or 8 people from its corporate hierarchy to negotiate. They decide what they want to take away from us in order to get as cheap a deal as they can for corporate profit.
3) The union committee and leadership negotiate with the corporation. Each side puts forth twenty or so main objectives for their proposal. We encourage members to attend and show unity and support, as it shows the corporation that we mean to stand together and get a fair deal for all. Members are encouraged to show up for the meetings and get accurate information as to what is being discussed. Printed updates give an outline but do not tell the whole story.
4) Corporate dickers and hems and haws, taking a long time to get to the main points. (this is where we are now) It is to their advantage to draw the process out in hopes that members will lose focus and seek a quick solution. At this point, unity and accurate information are essential. Members need to stay united. the goals are good for all of us.
5) Once the company gives us its best offer, known technically as a last, best and final offer, we as members get a chance to vote. This vote is very important. Unlike US Politics, a split vote is NOT the answer. It weakens us. We need a unified accept or reject vote of over 80% unity. The committee will recommend that we accept or reject an offer.
6) Voting to strike does not mean that a strike must occur. It only shows unity from the membership. A strong show of unity is the best hope for a good contract for everyone.
7) A strike vote can lead to a strike if the company does not reopen the negotiation. In today's economy and with today's market, a good contract is possible if everyone works together for all of us rather than simply for themselves.
The process is slow as is politics. It is the best process for a fair contract for everyone.

Does that explain it? Stay United! I'm on my way to the meeting before I work.---Member



Grocery workers contract dispute

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


  
Thugpreacha
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Message 6 of 53 (849604)
03-15-2019 4:19 PM
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02-20-2019 2:56 PM


Labor Pains In Colorado
Im as involved as a store steward can be. Here is the latest from Colorado.

So basically we have two chains of grocers in Colorado who are under UFCW Local 7. There are two separate contracts---one for Safeway and one for the larger chain, King Soopers. They are sister contracts in that they have basically the same language yet with a few exceptions. Kings has 12000 employees, most of them newer....(hired after 2005). We have far less...due to the fact that Safeway (now Safeway/Albertsons after the merger a few years ago) closed 35 stores and consolidated into fewer stronger stores. They canceled their contract extension and King Soopers employees are voting Thur and Fri (today) to see how many want to accept the contract proposal and how many want to strike.

Safeway still has a contract extension and no new negotiations scheduled yet.

We are waiting to see the outcome of this vote from rival (yet union brother) chain. Stay tuned...I'm in the thick of information regarding this. I am earning my stripes as a steward.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 7 of 53 (849614)
03-16-2019 9:31 AM
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03-15-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Labor Pains In Colorado
The larger rival chain (King Soopers) had a vote and the vote to reject the contract offer that I showed here a few posts back and authorize a strike was an overwhelming 92%. My grocery store (Safeway) is still under a contract extension. We likely will get hit by a flood of business....perhaps overwhelmed. Now, I'm not sure what will happen and I have some more questions directed towards the union higher-ups. I told my store director the same thing that I told my co-workers. I believe that my store is unified should we need to be.

Not sure what happens next. Stay tuned.

King Soopers grocery workers vote to authorize strike

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 8 of 53 (849724)
03-19-2019 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by DrJones*
02-20-2019 2:58 PM


Why Would They Do That?
Good point. I had to do some digging.

Labor Unions: Liberal vs Conservative- Worthington


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 9 of 53 (850319)
04-06-2019 10:26 AM
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03-16-2019 9:31 AM


Labor Solutions In Colorado
The King Soopers Contract was finally settled. The same 92% membership that voted to strike an earlier offer accepted the last offer cleanly and intentionally. Here is a letter from a member who attended the negotiatons:
quote:
Rising Star · April 4 at 7:14 PM
At the end of the meeting you came to realize that this whole contract is about the big picture, not just the bits and pieces we may want to individually focus on. There were allot of shocking reactions in the crowd when they explained about how we got the 2 tear problem and why. A lot of shocking gasps and eye opener reactions. The clapping of hands and moments of silence were few.

Anyone who didn't speak up about their angry concerns must of had a change of heart, or missed out on a open opportunity to stake their claim of concerns or even angry questions face to face with Kim Cordova. Very few questions hit the MIC.

I sat in my seat until about 5 minutes before the ballot closed and watched everyone's reaction to the meeting. I honestly believe a change of heart had happened and people were more informed about the entire facts of this contract.

I know some of those bits and pieces are extremely important but when you look at the whole contract you will see that it's a contract that was well worked as best as the committee could produce. It was obvious they worked every penny into the contract and made sure the company didn't take back any funds away from the table.

They didn't hide any issues that were developing with the rumors and talked about the truth vs lies and explained their side of the coin on each one. They even welcomed anyone who had concerns of any topic, and to freely speak their mind and they would talk it over with you. There were a lot of angry upset people walking into the meeting, but as they walked out. smiles and laughter seemed to fill the room. It felt like a family of union workers and it almost seemed like a family reunion. which is the way it should be.

What I experienced was that the committee fixed a ton of issues that was wrong in the last contract that directly affects us in the workplace and opens up much-needed opportunities for a lot of our associates.

The pay was the only issue and Kim herself will say she wasn't happy with the turn of events that led to the end result of wages. She reinforced her perspective on wages which made more sense than just myself trying to figure a graph of positions and numbers on a sheet of paper and explained the good bad and the ugly of it all. Her attorney who worked on the proposal with the union was happy to explain any concerns as well.

At the end of the hour of talking over the contract page by page, you will see the whole proposal from a different perspective. It's up to you to take it all in and ask the questions that you felt were most important. If you don't speak up then she can't give you answers of any clarity to your concerns on the final proposal that was drafted. You can use the opportunity or waste it and never get any closer to understanding when its all said and done.

I personally would be shocked if we went on strike after this phase of the contract. She explains everything in detail and answered all my concerns and issues. I was very skeptical in the beginning but in the end, I had a good understanding and idea on the WHOLE CONTRACT. Not just certain parts of it. Everything she said made sense to me.

They had enough people there to answer the details of any part of the contract including the legal attorneys who were making sure any questions were answered before the meeting. It might be in your best interest to go early so any questions or concerns can be answered.

I was there for about an hour and a half before the meeting with questions and concerns in hand. I even had a nice long talk with Kim herself. It was a very open experience. She stood her ground and was willing to explain every question that was presented directly in front of her. She was fearless and confident. I found new respect in her and I'm glad I had the opportunity to talk with her.

Just go to the meeting and find out for your self. If she doesn't clear up the issues in your mind then you know what to do. Just try to do it that doesn't involve a negative foundation and a misguided focus of the facts.

Either way, your vote counts, just keep an open mind and that will guide you in the direction that fits your decision on YOUR vote. Remember this is the strike vote.

God speed everyone
I'll pray another rosary for a good outcome for everyone.

As Saint Padre Pio famously said,

"Pray, Hope, and Don't Worry"


Now on to Safeway. Stay tuned.

Edited by Phat, : spellcheck


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Thugpreacha
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Message 10 of 53 (850401)
04-07-2019 8:25 AM
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04-06-2019 10:26 AM


Safeway This Morning
It is Sunday, April 7th. Negotiations are resuming for the 3rd day between the corporate negotiating team from Safeway/Albertsons and the Local 7 Labor Union.

The meeting starts at 1030 am. I plan on attending as a member and observer. The process is fascinating to watch. After attending the meeting for perhaps 3 hours, I plan on then going to work, as I am scheduled 330-midnite at my store. As the shop steward, it is my responsibility to convey information to the members employed at my store. Much as been discussed and put on paper.

At this time, I cannot publically reveal the details, though I can say that we are now down to the brass tacks. Wages, Health Care, Seniority, and Pension.

Our rival grocer (and sister contract in labor-speak) has settled. The vote is expected to be fully ratified before any news is released to the public.

One strategy that I have seen involves private deals made between store management and certain employees.

Total unity is, of course, preferable from the democratic point of view, but total freedom to choose individually and manage yourself without interference from "a liberal agenda" is the conservative comeback.

One thing is for certain. I have done my homework and am more prepared to articulate key talking points to my members and to management as well. Being a shop steward can be grueling. I am not a Boss. Many biblical precepts are internalized by me as I deal with management.

  • "The Greatest Among You Will Be A Servant". In other words, I do whatever is asked of me, within reason. At age 59, I cannot throw freight or lift heavy boxes like a strapping lad of 20. I can, however, use my mind...the tool that God (or evolution, for you skeptics) has given me. Sometimes I feel that with my intelligence, my life has been wasted at this blue-collar job, but it is a bit late to have any regrets.

    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 11 of 53 (850491)
    04-09-2019 7:25 AM


    Tentative Offer
    Sunday was a good day for learning! Our meetings went smoothly and there was consensus and progress. At the end of the meeting, we had this:

    So the next step will be a vote from all participating members. While we all have varied opinions regarding which way to vote, we are allowing the members to hear all sides of the discussion and how the consensus was arrived at. Stay tuned.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Thugpreacha
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    Message 12 of 53 (850492)
    04-09-2019 9:16 AM
    Reply to: Message 3 by ringo
    02-20-2019 2:56 PM


    Some of them should have been mandated by the government decades ago.
    Specifically which ones?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile


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    Message 13 of 53 (850495)
    04-09-2019 11:59 AM
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    04-09-2019 9:16 AM


    "Make the Company Keep Your Workplace Safe," jumps out.

    And our geese will blot out the sun.

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    Message 14 of 53 (850719)
    04-13-2019 11:14 AM
    Reply to: Message 11 by Thugpreacha
    04-09-2019 7:25 AM


    Stop & Shop, New England strike
    quote:
    Thousands of Stop & Shop workers walked out in a strike that forced stores to close for hours

    • Stop & Shop locations across Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut were forced to close Thursday afternoon after workers walked out in protest.
    • Thirty-one thousand employees at more than 240 stores went on strike in response to Stop & Shop's proposed contract, which the United Food & Commercial Workers union says would cut healthcare benefits and pensions.
    • Stop & Shop defended its wages and benefits and said it needed to cut labor costs to compete with nonunionized grocery chains such as Whole Foods, Costco, and Walmart.

    Stop & Shop workers went on strike Thursday, protesting cuts on healthcare and pension benefits.

    Thirty-one thousand employees of the Ahold Delhaize-owned regional grocery chain who are members of the United Food & Commercial Workers union walked out of their stores in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut on Thursday afternoon.

    Workers at more than 240 locations left stores about 1 p.m., with some then picketing outside. Many stores — lacking employees — closed for a portion of the afternoon. The strike continued into Friday, but most of the stores reopened Friday morning with temporary replacement workers, a Stop & Shop representative told Business Insider.


    Continuing today ... Connecticut workers have joined ...

    Enjoy

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    Message 15 of 53 (862450)
    09-05-2019 11:25 AM


    Soopers Goes Gunless
    Denver based King Sooopers supermarkets, following the lead of Walmart and Kroger, has asked its customers to leave their guns home. Hopefully this outburst of sanity will continue to spread.

    Unfortunately Soopers buys into a couple of widely held but completely unsupported theories: a) Only crazy people commit murder; and b) It is possible to detect crazy people before they shoot.

    --Percy


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