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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Facts
Grandmother in Kenya says quite clearly that she was present at Obama's birthSilence on the phone follows Silence is followed by "correction" emphatically and repeatedly stating that he was born in America I remember looking at some kind of birth certificate about ten years ago that had some different type faces on it and something odd about the name. The one presented here recently was a different document. Postman saysHe was told by Mrs. Ayers they had a foreign student living with them He then met the student, he had no doubt it was the student, a black student from Africa He didn't remember his name But he remembered his saying he was going to be the US President which stuck in his mind Obama was raised in a Communist familyHe was close to the known Leftist terrorist activist Ayers and his wife He went to a "church" where the "pastor" preached on how evil America is rather than on the saving work of Jesus Christ He was always putting down America to foreign leaders and bowing to Arab/Muslim leaders I'm told his school records are available to subpoena. I'd suppose there would have to be some legal reason to subpoena them? Somebody should do that if possible, to prove that he was or wasn't a foreign student. However, knowing how Communism works I don't think we could be sure those weren't forgeries too.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Wonderful how little you care about facts and arguments in your typical Leftist PC zeal to kill the opponent with smears and lies. No smears or lies. Only facts. You admitted you were hating on Obama for no practical reason. You were just "convinced". You can't let go because ... well ... hate. That level of pathological dementia is ubiquitous on the right. It is evil.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So you repeat the PC lies and smear. You are making up the "hate" since I've expressed no hate whatever, and show your own hate for me and my conservative views in that and your other terms.
I hope the truth all comes out soon.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
There is the pathetically obviously fake Kenyan birth certificate. I remember seeing it. Such poor quality that it was barely readable. As I recall, I couldn't make out the date on it. If I could have read the date, I wouldn't be surprised to find that it was from 1936, which is when President Obama's father, Barack Obama, was born in Kenya.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Grandmother in Kenya says quite clearly that she was present at Obama's birth
Yes. There's no evidence for any reason she did that. It's equally possible that someone (inaudibly) said "they mean your grandson, not your son". Or any other scenario. At best extremely weak circumstantial evidence.
Silence on the phone follows Silence is followed by "correction" emphatically and repeatedly stating that he was born in America I remember looking at some kind of birth certificate about ten years ago that had some different type faces on it and something odd about the name. The one presented here recently was a different document.
The one presented here is the one and only official long form birth certificate. Unless you can produce this alleged other document your memory means nothing relative to the question of citizenship. I note you have made no attempt to discredit the contents of the one presented here.
Postman says
Only the most tenuous of links to Obama. No other record him being there at that time. I can easily conceive of more than one African exchange student intending to be President. Whomever he talked to should have been aware of his eligibility, which you are arguing made his hope impossible. Very very weak evidence.
He was told by Mrs. Ayers they had a foreign student living with them He then met the student, he had no doubt it was the student, a black student from Africa He didn't remember his name But he remembered his saying he was going to be the US President which stuck in his mind Obama was raised in a Communist family
All irrelevant to his citizenship. Mostly bullshit, of course.He was close to the known Leftist terrorist activist Ayers and his wife He went to a "church" where the "pastor" preached on how evil America is rather than on the saving work of Jesus Christ He was always putting down America to foreign leaders and bowing to Arab/Muslim leaders So, two very weak pieces of evidence. That sure is a lot. ABE Almost forgot the non-circumstantial birth certificate, ironclad evidence against your claim.
I'm some legal reason to subpoena them? Somebody should do that if possible, to prove that he was or wasn't a foreign student. However, knowing how Communism works I don't think we could be sure those weren't forgeries too.
Yes, you'd need a subpoena. Hardly worth the effort, though.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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The forgery is laughable.
This is my favorite part.
quote:Is This Barack Obama's Kenyan Certified Registration of Birth? | Snopes.com The evidence shows that he is actually an alien.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Perhaps you and PaulK and AZPaul and dwise could get jobs with Putin, or the Chinese Communists. I thought I've made it quite clear. I am an American, have served my country with 35 years of military service, and have sworn an oath at least seven times to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic (that includes Trump) and I take that oath very seriously. There is no way I could ever become a traitorous Republican and join your vile traitorous ilk!
Good work of attacking the raiser of inconvenient questions. No, you are describing yourself. I keep raising that simple inconvenient question which absolutely terrifies you: What significance are you attaching to the question of where President Obama was born? What do you think the consequences of that birthplace are?
My question in its original form from my Message 694:
DWise1 writes: What possible importance could you attach to the question of whether Obama was born in an US state (or territory, as in Goldwater's and McCain's cases) or not? You cleave so tightly to your false Kenya-birth claim that it appears that you believe it to be very important. What exactly is that importance supposed to be? That question absolutely terrifies you. Why? Are you trying to cover something up? What would that be? In an ABE to my Message 792, I suggested that you're just being a typical creationist posting claims that you do not understand and hence are incapable of discussing them so you turn to bluffing and worse in order to avoid all attempts to discuss them with you. Here is that ABE again:
DWise1 writes: {ABE:
Another explanation of Faith's frantic avoidance of explaining her position could be that she has no idea what it is about. We have seen this situation play out over and over again over the decades when dealing with creationists on-line. All they know is how to repeat their claims, but they don't understand those claims. So when you ask them questions or try to discuss their own claims with them, they cannot do since they don't know anything about their claims except how to repeat them. So they try to bluff their way out in order to avoid discussion. The more you try to press them for discussion, the more drastic measures they take, from trying to change the subject to falsely claiming to take offense to becoming increasingly unpleasant in order to chase you off. Finally, they just run away. } That looks very much like what Faith has been doing. The question in question is why this birther claim is supposed to matter. Answering that question would require her to be able to connect the dots from her claim to her conclusion (which itself is mostly just implied). Clearly, she cannot do that, so she tries to bluff, deflect and divert, and finally she just runs away. That would support the conclusion that, in typical creationist fashion, she does not understand her own claim but won't admit it. All she knows is how to make the claim and what the conclusion is supposed to be, but she has no idea how to get from the claim to the conclusion. The problem for her is the fact that there is no way to get from her claim to her conclusion (much of which we have to assume since it is mostly just implied, which is also typical of so many aspects of creationist claims).
Cut your BS and just engage in honest discussion. If you don't know what you're talking about, then just admit it. Don't be like Trump who just violated yet another federal law by falsifying a weather map (with a Sharpee, his weapon of choice) in order to over up his stiupid mistake about Alabama being in the path of Dorian and his false weather warning to that state (another violation of that same law), all because his pathetic ego won't let him ever admit to being wrong about anything. Is that your problem too?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
You seem to forget that Putin is Trump's boyfriend. And given how Trump is always signalling his submissiveness when they're together, we all know which one is the "flower" (term learned from the film, The Boston Strangler (1968)).
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The evidence is circumstantial but there's a lot of it. I'm reminded of a response to a similar creationist boast that each little bit of "evidence" may be nothing, but he has millions of those little bits that all add up:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I never saw any Kenyan birth certificate. I remember a Hawaiian birth certificate that was different from the one shown in this thread.
The grandmother's first statement on the phone and the Postman's memory are the best evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The grandmother's first statement on the phone and the Postman's memory are the best evidence. Evidence of what? With what consequences? And of what possible significance? IOW, just what the hell are you talking about?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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That fake "Kenyan" document is not what I remember. What I saw was a very grainy and poor quality "copy".
I'm still waiting for a zoo vet's certification that Trump's father wasn't an orangutan. The resemblance is just too uncanny.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was hoping to find that maybe i'd posted that other birth certificate I remember, but didn't find it. Did at least find another discussion of all this a few years ago, and I see that I mentioned some other pieces of evidence in Message 1454.
Maybe I posted the certificate on one of my blogs. I'll look.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Who the fuck cares?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Neither of which are at all good. The postman’s memory is especially bad. You need Obama somehow to be a foreign student, but it’s secret, but Mary Ayers goes and blabs it to a postman. None of which makes the least bit of sense. Even Obama visiting the Ayers as a student makes little sense - there is no other evidence of any association while he was a student, and even if you assume that there was a secret association why the public visit ? A far more likely explanation is that the postman’s identification - made long after the meeting - was mistaken. Indeed, he could easily have been mistaken about Mary Ayer’s saying that the man was a foreign student. Either error sinks your case, and both errors are entirely plausible - which is more than can be said for your ideas. That you put this forward as the best evidence just shows how crazy this birther nonsense really is.
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