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JonF
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Message 785 of 953 (862388)
09-04-2019 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:02 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
I.e. you have no interest in truth.

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JonF
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Message 791 of 953 (862398)
09-04-2019 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by Faith
09-04-2019 1:15 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Gosh, couldn't it be that I have no interest in being bashed incessantly by Leftists?
Nope, couldn't be. You could easily avoid any bashing by going away or demonstrating the slightest interest in truth. You've done neither.
How many words have you written avoiding stating your position on killing legal immigrant kids? I've proven over and over again that left and right wing agree that what I posted is what went on. It's not right versus left. It's humanity against inhumanity. You don't have the guts to admit you choose inhumanity.

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JonF
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Message 793 of 953 (862435)
09-05-2019 8:55 AM


Can we include what they do to women?
Trump administration ‘rolling back women’s rights by 50 years’ by changing definitions of domestic violence and sexual assault
quote:
The Trump administration quietly changed the definition of both domestic violence and sexual assault back in April but the move has only just surfaced.
The change could have significant repercussions for millions of victims of gender-based violence.
The Trump Justice Department’s definition only considers physical harm that constitutes a felony or misdemeanour to be domestic violence — meaning other forms of domestic violence such as psychological abuse, coercive control and manipulation no longer fall under the department’s definition.
Under the Obama administration, the definition was drastically more expansive and was assessed by domestic violence organisations.
The Office on Violence against Women (OVW), part of the Department of Justice, has amended its definition of sexual assault to also focus on criminal justice aspects.
...
The Trump administration’s new definition says the term ‘sexual assault’ means any non-consensual sexual act proscribed by Federal, tribal, or State law, including when the victim lacks capacity to consent.
In contrast, the previous definition was more expansive, saying: Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behaviour that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.

  
JonF
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Message 795 of 953 (862445)
09-05-2019 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 794 by Faith
09-05-2019 9:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
So far you've rejected an official birth certificate for no discernible reason and invented a story about what could possibly have happened in a moment of silence (with no evidence that it did happen l.
Not convincing.
Got anything else?
And how 'bout killin' dem kids?

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JonF
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Message 798 of 953 (862448)
09-05-2019 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 796 by Faith
09-05-2019 10:43 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
You believe that about the conversation all right. With no evidence that it happened.
The birth certificate presented here is the official long form Obama released. If you think you saw some other certificate that one was not official or you are misremembering. You rejected the official birth certificate for no discernible reason.
Got anything for which you have evidence?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 801 of 953 (862457)
09-05-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
09-05-2019 11:02 AM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
The postman couldn't remember his name and his account has no corroboration.
None of his records have been sealed in any legal sense. Records that are typically confidential remain so until somebody comes up with a subpoena. Releasing school records without written permission of the subject is illegal. No other President's school records have been released except somebody illegally leaked W's grades. BTW Trump threatened to sue any school that released his records. Many of the records right-wingers have claimed are sealed are in fact publicly available.
I haven't done any psychoanalysis. I'm talking about facts and evidence.
Of course you'll dismiss all this with a wave of your hand. Dogma trumps reality as always.

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JonF
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Message 806 of 953 (862464)
09-05-2019 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
They're not available without a subpoena, as is standard legal practice.
The postman's story has no corroboration.

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JonF
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Message 807 of 953 (862465)
09-05-2019 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:36 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Still no evidence.

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JonF
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Message 808 of 953 (862466)
09-05-2019 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 804 by Faith
09-05-2019 12:46 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Still no evidence. Plenty of unsupported hysterical accusations.

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JonF
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Message 814 of 953 (862474)
09-05-2019 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 809 by Faith
09-05-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your unsupported claims.

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JonF
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Message 816 of 953 (862476)
09-05-2019 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 813 by Faith
09-05-2019 1:18 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
You haven't supplied any reasoning, and your biased interpretation of the few facts you supplied are barely compatible with your interpretations and far from probative.
Speaking of inconvenient questions, how do you feel about killing sick legal immigrant kids? Your refusal to answer speaks volumes.

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JonF
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Message 820 of 953 (862480)
09-05-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 815 by Faith
09-05-2019 1:22 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Someone told his grandmother to change her tune? All you've supplied is a story you made up based on no evidence for that particular story. Your fanatic belief in that story is not evidence.
The postman's story is not confirmed and Obama was not named. That makes it extremely suspect.
His documents are as available as anyone's and are not locked down.
You have provided no facts to justify dismissing the one and only birth certificate. Your belief that you saw something else years ago is irrelevant.
Your "commie!" slurs are irrelevant to his citizenship.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 195 days)
Posts: 6174
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Message 825 of 953 (862487)
09-05-2019 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 823 by Faith
09-05-2019 1:39 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
The birth certificate is not circumstantial. It proves he is a natural born citizen.
Your story about somebody telling grandma to change her tune is pure fantasy.
Commies are not relevant.
No records are "locked down".
The postman's story is circumstantial evidence that's contradicted by the birth certificate.
You have one weird definition of "a lot".

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 830 of 953 (862497)
09-05-2019 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 826 by Faith
09-05-2019 2:23 PM


Re: Obama was the pawn of Communist political engineers
Grandmother in Kenya says quite clearly that she was present at Obama's birth
Silence on the phone follows
Silence is followed by "correction" emphatically and repeatedly stating that he was born in America
Yes. There's no evidence for any reason she did that. It's equally possible that someone (inaudibly) said "they mean your grandson, not your son". Or any other scenario. At best extremely weak circumstantial evidence.
I remember looking at some kind of birth certificate about ten years ago that had some different type faces on it and something odd about the name. The one presented here recently was a different document.
The one presented here is the one and only official long form birth certificate. Unless you can produce this alleged other document your memory means nothing relative to the question of citizenship. I note you have made no attempt to discredit the contents of the one presented here.
Postman says
He was told by Mrs. Ayers they had a foreign student living with them
He then met the student, he had no doubt it was the student, a black student from Africa
He didn't remember his name
But he remembered his saying he was going to be the US President which stuck in his mind
Only the most tenuous of links to Obama. No other record him being there at that time. I can easily conceive of more than one African exchange student intending to be President. Whomever he talked to should have been aware of his eligibility, which you are arguing made his hope impossible. Very very weak evidence.
Obama was raised in a Communist family
He was close to the known Leftist terrorist activist Ayers and his wife
He went to a "church" where the "pastor" preached on how evil America is rather than on the saving work of Jesus Christ
He was always putting down America to foreign leaders and bowing to Arab/Muslim leaders
All irrelevant to his citizenship. Mostly bullshit, of course.
So, two very weak pieces of evidence. That sure is a lot.
ABE Almost forgot the non-circumstantial birth certificate, ironclad evidence against your claim.
I'm some legal reason to subpoena them? Somebody should do that if possible, to prove that he was or wasn't a foreign student. However, knowing how Communism works I don't think we could be sure those weren't forgeries too.
Yes, you'd need a subpoena. Hardly worth the effort, though.
  • Your "evidence" (and all the right-wing's alleged evidence) is far short of what you need to get a subpoena. You'd be laughed out of court.
  • Even if you did find a judge that would give you a subpoena, you've just told us that the time would be wasted. When the records are totally innocuous you and your ilk will cry "commies switched the records!" or some equally loony excuse, and after a few bounces around the right-wing bubble it will be hailed as received Truth.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 195 days)
Posts: 6174
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Message 845 of 953 (862533)
09-06-2019 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 835 by Faith
09-05-2019 8:24 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
never saw any Kenyan birth certificate. I remember a Hawaiian birth certificate that was different from the one shown in this thread.
Irreleavnt unless you can produce the document.
THe document postedd here is the one and only official birth certificate. It proves you are wrong.
The grandmother's first statement on the phone and the Postman's memory are the best evidence.
They are indeed the best evidence you've got. They are also extremely weak circumstantial evidence.
The birth certificate rules.
I note you have no comment on the fact you've announced you wouldn't believe Obama's school records if they disproved your claim. Or on the fact you threw in several irrrelevant and scurrilous lies as "evidence".

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