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jar
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Message 3301 of 4317 (862701)
09-10-2019 4:43 PM
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09-10-2019 1:35 PM


Who remembers HR McMasters
Those who have not read McMasters book, Dereliction of Duty should give it a read. It's certainly not spell binding and I think it could have been shortened by over a half but the points he makes are well worth review.

Basically, it is an indictment of those who surround themselves with people who tell them what they want to hear.


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Message 3302 of 4317 (862772)
09-12-2019 5:04 PM


Trump loses his African-American
Trump’s ‘African-American’ Is Leaving The Republican Party

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Gregory Cheadle briefly rose to fame in 2016 when President Donald Trump infamously singled out as “my African-American” at a campaign rally in an effort to prove he had support from the black community.

Now he’s done.

PBS NewsHour reported on Thursday that Cheadle, who’s running for Congress in California’s 1st District, is leaving the Republican Party to run as an independent instead.

Cheadle told PBS NewsHour that he became disillusioned by what he called the GOP’s “pro-white agenda,” and the party rallying around Trump after his marathon of racist attacks against Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) and “The Squad.”



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Message 3303 of 4317 (863019)
09-18-2019 3:20 PM


Polluting America overrides States’ Rights
In another dictatorial move Trump has revoked - he says - California’s waiver, allowing the State to set it’s own standard on vehicle emissions.

Four big car manufacturers don’t want it - and Trump has set the DoJ on them for wanting to produce more efficient cars.

Whether Trump actually has the power to do this will be tested in the courts.


  
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Message 3304 of 4317 (863043)
09-19-2019 4:15 AM
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09-12-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Trump loses his African-American

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Message 3305 of 4317 (863323)
09-24-2019 4:08 PM


Here we go !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927

Trump’s impeachment begins.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 3306 of 4317 (863324)
09-24-2019 4:21 PM
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09-24-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Here we go !
vimesey writes:

Trump’s impeachment begins.

It will be political suicide for Dems if they pass articles of impeachment without the needed votes in the Senate. They need to look back at Clinton's impeachment and learn a few lessons. We could get lucky and suddenly find some Republicans who put country before party, but I doubt that will happen.


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Message 3307 of 4317 (863325)
09-24-2019 4:31 PM
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09-24-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Here we go !
Presumably the main purpose is to subpoena the recording ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 3308 of 4317 (863328)
09-24-2019 4:48 PM


The problem is that Trump has one priority and that's his ass.
The problem is that as soon as Trump is no longer President he will be charged with crimes in almost every State, charges that will at a minimum totally bankrupt Trump, his family and the whole Trump organization as well as likely several other very wealth concerns.

Trump needs to stay in the position of US President permanently or go to jail.


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Message 3309 of 4317 (863329)
09-24-2019 4:51 PM
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09-24-2019 4:31 PM


Re: Here we go !
vimesey writes:

Presumably the main purpose is to subpoena the recording ?

In the eyes of people like Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer that would probably be the case.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 3310 of 4317 (863330)
09-24-2019 4:58 PM
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09-24-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Here we go !
FINALLY!!!!

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 3311 of 4317 (863337)
09-24-2019 8:37 PM


On top of everything else...
Greta Thunberg nominated for Nobel peace prize

How much will that piss off President "would get a Nobel Prize for a lot of things"?


  
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Message 3312 of 4317 (863361)
09-25-2019 10:22 AM
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09-24-2019 4:08 PM


Re: Here we go !
vimesey writes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927

Trump’s impeachment begins.

For the cowardly Democrats in Congress paying off paramours, obstructing justice, accepting emoluments, hiding his tax returns, refusing to put his business in a blind trust, and stonewalling all congressional inquiries (just to mention the worst) wasn't enough. But apparently inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top for these paragons of gutlessness, and now Pelosi believes she finally has sufficient House support to begin impeachment inquiries.

Trump always says whatever he needs to say at the time to deflect and confuse criticism, so his announcement that he'll make a transcript of the Ukraine phone call public shouldn't be believed. It'll be redacted or edited, or he'll change his mind and not release a transcript at all.

And making the whistleblower available for testimony before Congress? That ain't gonna happen unless Trump invokes executive privilege and forbids him to talk about anything to do with his administration.

I don't know how Trump supporters continue their support in the face of Trump's constant lies, misdeeds and cruelty. The lie that bothers me a lot was stating before the election that he couldn't release his tax returns because they were under audit when audits are irrelevant to making tax returns public. He promised to make his tax returns public later. After the election he claimed that the fact of his election meant people didn't care about his tax returns, but that's not true. They did care, and they thought the promise to release them at the appropriate time was sincere. It wasn't. I have to admit that even I, a long time observer of Trump shenanigans having grown up in the New York metropolitan area, believed he would eventually release his tax returns. But there must be extremely noxious information hiding in them, otherwise he wouldn't be working so hard to keep them secret.

It is obvious by his actions that Trump has a lot to hide, and given his stonewalling of nearly everything it looks like impeachment is the only way to bring it to light. If it turns out there's nothing there then that's fine, but we can't allow Trump to establish a precedent for the divine right of presidents.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 3313 of 4317 (863363)
09-25-2019 10:50 AM
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09-25-2019 10:22 AM


The bigger issue
Percy writes:

If it turns out there's nothing there then that's fine, but we can't allow Trump to establish a precedent for the divine right of presidents.

We need to remember that the ONLY thing protecting Trump is his position as President and he has already said he likes the idea of President for Life.

I think the results of a poll that asked "If it seemed Elizabeth Warren were to become President would you support President Trump simply refusing to leave office?"

Remember there are only a very limited number of ways that anyone in possession of the Presidency can be removed.

The Courts could declare his behavior un-Constitutional but the courts have no army or enforcement power.

The House can bring charges of Impeachment but cannot try the case.

The Military can step in and overthrow a sitting President.

And finally the President can be declared incapable of preforming his duties but should the President then certify he was fit it becomes moot.


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Message 3314 of 4317 (863365)
09-25-2019 11:09 AM
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09-25-2019 10:22 AM


Re: Here we go !
Percy writes:

For the cowardly Democrats in Congress paying off paramours, obstructing justice, accepting emoluments, hiding his tax returns, refusing to put his business in a blind trust, and stonewalling all congressional inquiries (just to mention the worst) wasn't enough. But apparently inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top for these paragons of gutlessness, and now Pelosi believes she finally has sufficient House support to begin impeachment inquiries.

If Democrats had a 2/3 majority in the Senate they would have impeached the President already. They don't. If you attack a bear you had better kill it. If you just wound it, you're in deep doodoo. The charges against Trump have to be egregious enough that even Republicans will vote to kick Trump out and have the support of their voting base when doing it.

Percy writes:

I don't know how Trump supporters continue their support in the face of Trump's constant lies, misdeeds and cruelty.

Tribalism, plain and simple. Beating the "evil liberals" is more important than morality or truth.


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Message 3315 of 4317 (863367)
09-25-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 3312 by Percy
09-25-2019 10:22 AM


supporters
I don't know how Trump supporters continue their support in the face of Trump's constant lies, misdeeds and cruelty.

You don't?? Look no further than our deplorable example here.

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