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caffeine
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Message 766 of 837 (862714)
09-11-2019 8:01 AM
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09-11-2019 7:47 AM


Re: Brexit fact of the day
It's Heads of Government, rather than Heads of State (with a couple of exceptions for countries like France with funny constitutions).

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Message 767 of 837 (862715)
09-11-2019 8:38 AM
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09-11-2019 7:47 AM


EU Council
They are the Heads of State {government} of the member nations.

So it would be like running the US with a council of governors ...

Interesting. Who came up with that idea?

Enjoy

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Message 768 of 837 (862716)
09-11-2019 9:01 AM
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09-11-2019 8:38 AM


Re: EU Council
Interesting. Who came up with that idea?

It evolved organically. Long before the Council was a formally defined entity, government leaders in the member states of the European Communities would meet periodically to discuss plans for the functioning of Europe and the direction of future integration. This was formalised with the Maastricht Treaty, which defined three key institutions that would be the pillars of the EU.

The Commission is supposed to represent the interests of the Union, the Council the interests of its member states, and the Parliament the interests of its citizens.


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Diomedes
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Message 769 of 837 (862718)
09-11-2019 9:43 AM


Suspension of Parliament ruled unlawful
quote:
Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.

A panel of three judges at the Court of Session found in favour of a cross-party group of politicians who were challenging the prime minister's move.

The judges said the PM was attempting to prevent Parliament holding the government to account ahead of Brexit.

A UK government appeal against the ruling will be heard by the Supreme Court in London next week.

The Court of Session decision overturns an earlier ruling from the court, which said last week that Mr Johnson had not broken the law.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

My guess is this will likely be over-ruled by the Supreme Court. But still, another slap in the face to Boris.


  
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Message 770 of 837 (862719)
09-11-2019 9:45 AM
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09-07-2019 9:53 AM


Re: Why would the EU grant an extension?
Sorry - just visiting again and saw this thread. There is an additional irony with regard to the non-binding nature of the referendum. It was ruled that there were significant irregularities with the vote leave campaign, namely that they spent more than they should have. If this had been a binding referendum, then it could have potentially have been ordered rerun by the courts. However, the courts cannot do so with an advisory referendum.

I hope I got that right. Here's a related article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

Also, you mentioned earlier why there was a problem with rerunning the referendum now to see if people want to leave now we have a clearer idea of the deal we will (or won't) be getting. The argument tends to be that it would be anti-democratic to rerun a referendum before the thing that the first referendum was about was implemented. This would be because if the government didn't like the result they got, they could keep running referenda until they got the result they wanted.

My personal take is that the first referendum was anti-democratic. It was just terrible. No supermajority required. No minimum turn-out required. An assumption that remain would win, so no clear idea of what leave might be (which in played into the hands of leave, who ran two independent campaigns promising different things to different people). David Cameron might end up being responsible for one of the most significant political mistakes in living memory.


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Message 771 of 837 (862792)
09-13-2019 10:58 AM


“A really terrible example”
Boris is still saying that we’ll leave by the 31st despite there being little sign of a deal, and a legal requirement to ask for an extension.

Bercow says that the PM openly defying the law would be a “really terrible example”

But this is Boris:


  
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Message 772 of 837 (863289)
09-24-2019 7:11 AM


Supreme Court Rules against UK Govt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49807552

A unanimous decision, there was no reason, let alone a good reason to prorogue for 5 weeks.

there are numerous calls for Johnson's resignation, even the Brexit party chairman is sayng that Brexit should now be delayed.

unprecedented stuff here...

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Message 773 of 837 (863291)
09-24-2019 8:03 AM
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09-24-2019 7:11 AM


Re: Supreme Court Rules against UK Govt
It's clear Johnson massively overplayed his hand since he became Prime Minister. There is going to be a large amount of turmoil now in British Politics.

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Message 774 of 837 (863459)
09-26-2019 3:39 AM


Johnathan Pie nails it again...

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Edited by Admin, : Fix code for YouTube video.


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Message 775 of 837 (863464)
09-26-2019 8:59 AM
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09-26-2019 3:39 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
My favorite line in reference to Boris:

"He's the perfect storm of hubris, incompetence, deceit and shit hair!"


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Message 776 of 837 (863468)
09-26-2019 10:19 AM
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09-26-2019 8:59 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
My favorite line in reference to Boris:

"He's the perfect storm of hubris, incompetence, deceit and shit hair!"

Reminds me of someone ...


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Message 777 of 837 (863493)
09-26-2019 2:14 PM
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09-26-2019 10:19 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
My favorite line in reference to Boris:
"He's the perfect storm of hubris, incompetence, deceit and shit hair!"

Reminds me of someone ...


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Message 778 of 837 (863523)
09-27-2019 2:19 AM
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09-26-2019 2:14 PM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
what cheap TV show was Boris involved with?

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Message 779 of 837 (863529)
09-27-2019 3:55 AM
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09-27-2019 2:19 AM


Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
His hair once doubled for Gordon the Gopher when the little rodent was poorly.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 780 of 837 (863530)
09-27-2019 4:32 AM
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Re: Johnathan Pie nails it again...
(For our American and other non-Brit friends, please meet Gordon the Gopher):

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Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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