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Faith
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Message 76 of 80 (862720)
09-11-2019 11:27 AM


another example from "Forensic Files"
Woman convicted of killing her mother prays for her innocence to be proved. It took some really fancy forensic work to overturn the bad forensics that had convicted her, but it was overturned in less than a year. The fancy forensics involved the discovery that her car make was known to catch fire from a faulty ignition design, and that melted plastic acts as an accelerant to fire.

There is no way to prove this is answered prayer. I think the example I gave in the OP where the answer met some particular conditions asked in the prayer was proved (she encountered the murderer and was instrumental in solving the case), but most prayers are like this one that is too easily dismissed as coincidence. But this is the most common kind of answer to prayer and if you are someone who prays you know it is God's answer. Proving it to someone else may be impossible.

Just as a side note it's interesting that this series "Forensic Files" includes such examples of people who were wrongfully convicted of a crime through bad forensic science. They protest their innocence of course which often only increases the suspicion against them. Getting anyone to take them seriously is the first big hurdle and then all the tests have to be done again and new kinds of tests added. So I could argue that this case I describe above shows answered prayer just because of the speed with which she got what she prayed for.

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Message 77 of 80 (862721)
09-11-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Thugpreacha
09-10-2019 1:14 PM


Re: It was meant to be by Faith alone
Thugpreacha writes:

The just shall live by faith...not evidence.

But many just people do live by evidence.

So is this wrong? Misleading? Only useful in very specific contexts?

If you had a rich uncle, how do you know that people were not only being nice to him because he had money?

By their actions and words - do they match or do they vary?
Those that vary - are in it for the money.
Those that match in a "being nice" way - are there for being nice.


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Message 78 of 80 (862723)
09-11-2019 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by jar
09-10-2019 5:13 PM


Re: Not really an argument against GOD but only some gods.
jar writes:

The God in Genesis 1 saw all that was created as Very Good and so saw pond scum and humans and skunks and squezalls as equally good.

I see - a God that does want "the best for human" but not at the expense at "the best" for other parts of His creation as well.

Yes, the wording of my phrasing does not seem to include such a thing.
But it was intended, as confusing as my current phrasing is.

As I said, some Gods can be eliminated but not all GODS.

Exactly, yes - I still think we're just agreeing.


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Message 79 of 80 (862724)
09-11-2019 12:42 PM
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09-11-2019 12:32 PM


Re: It was meant to be by Faith alone
The context of that quote is how we get saved -- i.e. become righteous, are justified -- this became the pivotal reference for Luther who had been struggling to earn his salvation by good works and then learned through this Biblical teaching that God had done it for him and he had only to receive it by faith.

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Message 80 of 80 (862725)
09-11-2019 12:58 PM
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09-11-2019 12:42 PM


Re: It was meant to be by Faith alone
Faith writes:

The context of that quote is how we get saved..

Thank-you, but yes, I understand where it comes from and it's intent.

Smells fishy, to me.
Which doesn't mean it is fishy... just has an aspect to it that happens to coincide with many other fishy-things.


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