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Phat
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Message 31 of 189 (862757)
09-12-2019 1:28 PM
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Re: Is This Science Going Anywhere?
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Captcass writes:

The evidence of God is plain to see throughout history.

I agree, and yes, I read your homepage. You have some unique views on spirituality, which I would be willing to discuss in another topic. None of us have a corner on "the truth" but I will say in advance that you thought a lot of this out. Much respect. For the peanut gallery, here is Captcass'es page: Homepage of Captain Cass Forrington and I will just say that normally we here at EvC do not promote other peoples pages...however I found yours interesting enough to discuss. Im not going to discuss your Cosmological Question here, though I do invite you to make a new topic in Faith & Belief in which I will discuss your lengthy discourse and conclusions regarding spirituality.

Oh, and one more thing: This forum has two sides. The Science side and the faith & Belief side. On the science side, critical thinking and strict objective replicable evidence are required. On the faith & Belief side, where I usually hang out, philosophy can be discussed and although people try, they cannot frame Faith & Belief by the standards with which they frame scientific evidence.

Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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Message 32 of 189 (862759)
09-12-2019 1:35 PM
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09-12-2019 12:53 PM


Re: Who?
Washing your hands in acid is no biggie. Now washing your hands in a alkali does get exciting.

The mistake you made was assuming the people here were without BS detectors.


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Message 33 of 189 (862760)
09-12-2019 1:38 PM
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09-12-2019 12:53 PM


Re: Who?
Goodbye

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 34 of 189 (862763)
09-12-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Theodoric
09-12-2019 1:38 PM


Re: Who?
As I said, I don't participate in such conversations.

http://www.captcass.com/symbolofunity.htm

Edited by Captcass, : Add link


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Message 35 of 189 (862764)
09-12-2019 2:41 PM
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09-12-2019 2:20 PM


Re: Who?
Besides, you need to keep your line free. The Nobel committee will be calling any time.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 36 of 189 (862767)
09-12-2019 4:13 PM
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09-12-2019 2:20 PM


Re: Who?
Spamming the forum is bad form.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 37 of 189 (862768)
09-12-2019 4:22 PM
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09-12-2019 4:13 PM


Re: Who?
One of you called me a liar. I merely provided a history to show I didn't just make up what I said.

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Message 38 of 189 (862769)
09-12-2019 4:41 PM
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09-12-2019 4:22 PM


Re: Who?
I did not call you a **** and do not see where anyone did. That is irrelevant to the point that you spammed the forum with a link to your website. Either argue your point in the forum or take your ball and go home.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 39 of 189 (862770)
09-12-2019 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Captcass
09-12-2019 2:08 AM


Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
mainstream is lamestream


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 40 of 189 (862771)
09-12-2019 4:50 PM


Facts not truth
A sure sign of pseudoscience and wackadoodliness is to speak of truths. Science does not deal in truths. It deals in facts and interpretations of those facts. Truths are for zealots and those impressed with their own beliefs.
Amazing that a guy with a B.S. and years in the merchant marine thinks he has overturned the scientific world. Hubris much?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 41 of 189 (862775)
09-12-2019 8:34 PM
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09-12-2019 4:50 PM


Re: Facts not truth
Your inane assumptions about the limits of my education reveal your true malicious intent. My BS was long ago. I read over 1,000 books at sea and have studied multiple subjects over the years since I retired over 20 years ago.

I have studied things you probably don't even know exist.

All this from a person who "believes" in a literally unimaginable singularity and an infinitely accelerating "expansion" of the universe that also, literally, cannot be imagined......

You have "faith", these things are "truths" to you, "supported" by....... "Dark" stuff....

'Tis you folks who have hubris. It is you who have blind faith in totally illogical concepts.

I describe a simple elegant spacetime construct that explains apparent astrophysical evolutions in terms of the evolving quantum field.

Sad thing is you can't just discuss anything...

Or even debate it.....

All I hear is a lot of vicious hate speech and personal attacks.

Simple fact is, I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know....

Edited by Captcass, : text correction


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Message 42 of 189 (862776)
09-12-2019 8:52 PM
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09-12-2019 8:34 PM


Re: Facts not truth
Good. It seems the Humor injection is beginning to work. Remember though you will need a regular booster shot if you wish to continue displaying such delightful jocularity.

Edited by jar, : applin spallin


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Message 43 of 189 (862777)
09-12-2019 8:54 PM
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09-12-2019 8:34 PM


Re: Facts not truth
You know nothing about me. Do not presume to know anything about me.
Evidently you can not handle any criticism. You actually think your reading gives you the expertise to overturn accepted theories and science of physics and cosmology? You are now a caricature.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 44 of 189 (862778)
09-12-2019 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Captcass
09-12-2019 2:08 AM


Re: Final Paper Has Been Published
Sorry. Again. mainstream is lamestream.

You know, insulting behavior is hardly what I normally expect from someone who just announced the publication of the paper that will completely change humanity's understanding of the Universe, cosmology, physics, and astrophysics forever.

No progress in over 100 years because you do not understand what you are seeing.

A bold claim, but of course you have absolutely no knowledge of what I understand or what I am seeing.

Please read the paper and stop being nasty.

I read the paper and I have not started being nasty, YET.

You are the one who went on a rant making nasty assertions about my character.

You said, "If you want to do science then you have to actually do science."

Trouble is, to you, "science" means "accepting ridiculous theories for truth". You are equating your idiotic theories to the "truth", i.e., "science". The 2 do not equate.

So, you're the one making ignorant, insulting, and false accusations about how I define science and blabbing about "truth", yet I am the one being nasty?

If you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously, you need to tone down the insults and up the intellectual level of your discussion.

So far, your explosion into a rant at the first criticism seems more likely to convince everyone that you are nothing but another crank.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 45 of 189 (862779)
09-12-2019 9:24 PM
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09-12-2019 8:52 PM


Re: Facts not truth
Good. It seems the Humor injection is beginning to work. Remember though you will need a regular booster shot if you wish to continue displaying such delightful jocularity.

Don't forget that "Simple fact is, he has forgotten more than you will ever know...."


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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