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JonF
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Message 2821 of 5796 (862735)
09-11-2019 9:21 PM


No true Scotsman on Fox
Tucker Carlson declares Bolton an unperson.

  
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Message 2822 of 5796 (862788)
09-13-2019 9:35 AM


Neocon now turned Lib, just wow
Typical GOP tactic, paint any one that does not agree with a Leftist brush.
Bolton is the very personification of a Neocon. Sorry Repubs, he is one of your pieces of shit.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

  
Faith 
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Message 2823 of 5796 (862822)
09-13-2019 3:52 PM


Kids in cages goes back to Obama
In reference to Biden's claim in the debate last night that kids were not kept in cages under the Obama Administration:
Photos mislabeled
Children were also placed in cages in some cases under the Obama administration, and Obama-era images of children in such structures have been mislabeled as occurring under the Trump administration on several occasions.
Fake news might be the term for this.
From Politifact :
Notably, critics of Trump’s "zero-tolerance" policy that resulted in family separations circulated a photo that purportedly showed children face down on the floor behind a chain-link enclosure during Trump’s tenure. However, the photo was from 2014 when Obama was president.
Our fact-check showed the Associated Press photo was taken in 2014 at a Customs and Border Protection facility in Nogales, Ariz. The photo was used in an Arizona Republic article centered on nflux of children arriving at the border unaccompanied by a parent or guardian.
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JonF
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Message 2824 of 5796 (862832)
09-13-2019 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2823 by Faith
09-13-2019 3:52 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
There were some times when children were put in cages during the Obama administration.
There are gigantic differences in nature and degree.
The Trump administration has deliberately taken the treatment of those children to depths heretofore unimaginable. They have acknowledged the cruelty is the point; they'll do anything up to and including deliberate killing of sick children to deter more migrants. The list of tortures is sickening. Now there are accusations that women and girls can't have tampons or pads. Their clothes get to catch the blood. Is that true? I don't know. But I do know that they are capable of doing that. That's one of our great losses, the knowledge that America is not a beacon of freedom and morality, it's not a shining city on the hill.
Of course your dogma trumps reality every time and you'll stay in your right-wing bubble o' lies. You love what they are doing.

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Message 2825 of 5796 (862839)
09-13-2019 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2824 by JonF
09-13-2019 5:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
The "cages" and the philosophy to go with them were built under Obama, and since they are generally attributed to Trump without any reference to Obama, if you think I'm going to accept anything else I hear from your side forget it.
You don't even admit the lie that this was all Trump's doing, this endless constant accusation of him and his administration when in fact it happened in Obama's. You play down the truth and carry on viciously against Trump. This is all the Left has been doing since he was elected. It's all lies, it's all a smear campaign.
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Percy
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Message 2826 of 5796 (862848)
09-14-2019 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Faith
09-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
It doesn't matter who put children in cages, it is wrong. If Obama did it it was wrong, and if Trump's doing it then it's still wrong. Trump, should fix this, not justify it by saying, "My predecessor did it, too."
--Percy

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jar
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Message 2827 of 5796 (862849)
09-14-2019 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2826 by Percy
09-14-2019 9:21 AM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
You don't understand Percy, il Donald has never graduated from the kindergarten play ground "But Billy did it first..." mentality.
Abe:
We need to understand that il Donald is seriously mentally deranged, ill and needs our pity and some professional help. I a normal instance this would be conditions to invoke the 25th. Amendment but in this case the Vice President is even more damaged and deranged than the President.
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JonF
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Message 2828 of 5796 (862851)
09-14-2019 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Faith
09-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
What happened in Obama's day is nothing compared to what Trump came up with.
But you're in favor of any atrocity as long as it's committed by a Republican.
It's no smear campaign, it's calling attention to the truth that even right-wing sites acknowledge and the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged as barbarism.
I note that you won't even condemn making women b led without any sanitary products when they have their period. I guess you never used any, amirite? But after you've endorsed killing legal and sick children, anything goes.

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JonF
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Message 2829 of 5796 (862852)
09-14-2019 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Faith
09-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
These Pictures Show The "Dangerous" Overcrowding At Border Patrol Facilities
quote:
The Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General on Tuesday released its final report on overcrowding at several border facilities in the Rio Grande Valley ” nearly a week after BuzzFeed News reported on a draft version ” revealing shocking photographs of people crammed into small detention spaces.
Inspectors detailed how, when they visited several the facilities earlier this month, they found adults and minors with no access to showers. Many adults were only fed bologna sandwiches, and detainees were seen banging on cell windows ” pressing notes to the windows that detailed their time in custody.
Inspectors described the conditions as "dangerous" and "prolonged." Some adults were held in standing-room-only conditions for a week. There was little access to hot showers or hot food for families and children in some facilities
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
quote:
{Acting DHS Secretary} McAleenan had attempted to downplay conditions at the administration’s detention camps after shocking reports on the conditions ” even as he knew his own department’s Inspector General had prepared a report confirming the news story.
“I mean, the Homeland security secretary has been proven wrong now by his own agency. Right?” Maddow wondered.
“He went to Congress and said these allegations about bad conditions in his facilities, these were just unsubstantiated allegations that were creating a sensation. That was a handful of days ago,” she explained.
Now his own agency has published these photos and this urgent management alert calling exactly the same alarm. Right? Saying exactly the same thing which he was dismissing as unsubstantiated just days ago,” she continued.
Standing room only in a cell:


Caused mostly by the administration's zero humanity policy.

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JonF
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Message 2830 of 5796 (862853)
09-14-2019 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2825 by Faith
09-13-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
Do you read any news? Such as the ultra-right-wing Breitbart.com ?
quote:
The federal government is reversing course and will allow a group of roughly 1,000 sick illegal migrants to keep getting U.S. medical treatment.
The reversal is a partial win for Joe Biden, who has begun claiming President Donald Trump’s deputies are trying to cruelly unplug sick children.
The reversal came Monday via an announcement by the citizenship agency, which said it would restart processing requests for deferred action.
The requests are made by illegals seeking to defer their legal deportation so that they or their children can keep getting medical treatment....
The statement suggests that the USCIS will not accept future requests from illegals to stay in the United States for medical treatment. Also, a plan to transfer the deferred action requests to the ICE enforcement agency appears to have been dropped.

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Faith 
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Message 2831 of 5796 (862862)
09-14-2019 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2826 by Percy
09-14-2019 9:21 AM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
They are chain link fences not cages. And I have no idea what Trump or his administration have to say about any of it, all I ever hear is the Trump bashing and I believe none of it.

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Faith 
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Message 2832 of 5796 (862863)
09-14-2019 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2829 by JonF
09-14-2019 9:43 AM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
There is no reason to believe anything you say about5 any of it. The photos could have been taken years ago, just as the resport I found says many were, and for all I know taken on a bad day. When it has become clear, as I reported, that policies have been attributed to Trump that were really Obama's and you don't even acknowledge that, forget saying anything at all on the subject. The endless Trump bashing destroys your credibility and that of the entire Left.
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JonF
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Message 2833 of 5796 (862864)
09-14-2019 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2831 by Faith
09-14-2019 4:47 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
Obama's "cages" were chain link fences.
All you hear is the Trump bashing and you believe none of it. So you don't listen to or read any news at all, right-wing or left-wing or center. I believe you, your self-enforced ignorance of any of the actual events is obvious.

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JonF
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Message 2834 of 5796 (862865)
09-14-2019 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2832 by Faith
09-14-2019 4:50 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
The report you found does not say the INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY is lying about the provenance of those photos and what they saw. Nor does it say the many congrespersons and respected members of the community who visited the concentration camps and posted their photos and experiences were lying.
I acknowledged that a few kids were put in cages under Obama. They were treated humanely otherwise, and there's nothing more in common with Trump’s barbarism gone wild.
I challenge you to name three specific things this administration has acknowledged doing, that many people think is inhumane, and was also done under Obama. The cages themselves aren't one of those, we know Obama did that and we know it was wrong.
You won't even name one. Because you have no clue what's happening in the country today.

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Faith 
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Message 2835 of 5796 (862867)
09-14-2019 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2834 by JonF
09-14-2019 5:38 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
What's happening in the country today is that the Left, the Democrats, the Liberals, have gone insane. They are as far left as it's possible to be without bringing on the Communist Revolution (it's coming though unless God has mercy on us), and thety have spent almost three years trying to undermine Trump with outrageous lies, and he's been doing a surprisingly good job in spite of it on at least some of his goals, and I absolutely refuse to believe anything more from the Left.
(abe: what I found was more than one report, it was a Google page of articles on how Trump was getting blamed for what Obama did, in reaction to what Biden had said in the debate the previous night about how Obama never put kids in cages. It was Obama's administration that invented the "cages" and it's the Left, by the way, that uses that term for the chain-link fences, because it serves their endless attack on Trump.
The Liberals in the House won't fund Trump's wall, they won't do anything to help stop illegal immigration. They are the problem, not Trump.
You are right I don't read the "news." For one thing the media are all Leftists except a very few you have to track down, and for another I can't stand more news about how the Left is destroying the country, it stresses me out too much, and for another reading anything at all is hard on my eyes so I have to limit it.
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