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Message 2836 of 5796 (862878)
09-15-2019 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2835 by Faith
09-14-2019 11:00 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
Faith writes:
What's happening in the country today is that the Left, the Democrats, the Liberals, have gone insane. They are as far left as it's possible to be without bringing on the Communist Revolution....
Your Democrats are far to the right of our Conservatives.

Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.
-- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves

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Message 2837 of 5796 (862902)
09-16-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2835 by Faith
09-14-2019 11:00 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
Faith writes:
What's happening in the country today is that the Left, the Democrats, the Liberals, have gone insane. They are as far left as it's possible to be without bringing on the Communist Revolution (it's coming though unless God has mercy on us),
Pick any European non-communist, democratic country and I can just about guarantee that Democrats in the US are well right of those politicians.
and thety have spent almost three years trying to undermine Trump with outrageous lies, and he's been doing a surprisingly good job in spite of it on at least some of his goals, and I absolutely refuse to believe anything more from the Left.
Where's that Republican health care plan that was supposed to cover all Americans? I haven't even seen a single plan that covers all Americans even proposed by Republicans or Trump.
abe: what I found was more than one report, it was a Google page of articles on how Trump was getting blamed for what Obama did, in reaction to what Biden had said in the debate the previous night about how Obama never put kids in cages. It was Obama's administration that invented the "cages" and it's the Left, by the way, that uses that term for the chain-link fences, because it serves their endless attack on Trump.
Then why did Trump have to change Obama-era policies in order to have the number of children currently in custody? During the Obama era, children were kept with their families whenever possible, and that policy was changed under Trump which has resulted in thousands of kids being taken from their parents and thrown in detention centers.
The fact you have to lie about this tells us a lot.

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Message 2838 of 5796 (862905)
09-16-2019 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2837 by Taq
09-16-2019 12:33 PM


Re: Kids in cages goes back to Obama
Taq writes:
Pick any European non-communist, democratic country and I can just about guarantee that Democrats in the US are well right of those politicians.
Pick any Republican President or almost any Congressman from before Ronald Reagan and today's democrats are well to the right of them.

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Message 2839 of 5796 (863366)
09-25-2019 11:25 AM


Impeachment Daydream of the Left
Percy on the Trump Bashing Thread, Message 3312
For the cowardly Democrats in Congress
paying off paramours,
obstructing justice,
accepting emoluments,
hiding his tax returns,
refusing to put his business in a blind trust,
and stonewalling all congressional inquiries
(just to mention the worst) wasn't enough. But apparently inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top for these paragons of gutlessness, and now Pelosi believes she finally has sufficient House support to begin impeachment inquiries.
First, none of those things is illegal.
In the case of paying off the paramours is it better to rape them and pay them nothing until the legal system forces him to, as in the case of Clinton, or to be a secret womanizer that the media hides from the public as in the case of Kennedy? Johnson too had his mistress. But those guys all had the media willing to cover for them. Trump has to put up with a media that hates him and not only exposes everything he does but makes it up to embarrass him.
obstructing justice,
But he did no such thing. He said some things that if he had actually done them MIGHT amount to obstructing justice but it might not too, and in any case he didn't do them. Meanwhile Hillary obstructed justice to such an outrageously horrific degree it's amazing she's not sitting in prison. The Leftist media protect their own.
accepting emoluments,
For what? There's nothing wrong with accepting money as long as it's legal and there's no reason to think anything he accepted wasn't.
hiding his tax returns,
You mean refusing to allow public scrutiny of his private life which is his right?
refusing to put his business in a blind trust,
Apparently also his right and perfectly legal?
and stonewalling all congressional inquiries
Which are all nothing more than harassment, not in any sense legitimate inquiries
inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top
We're still waiting to find out if there's anything to this but I guess they think there must be? One thing I keep hearing is that the "whistleblower" got his information secondhand, which means he's not legally a whistleblower.
Well, wait and see what comes of this ongoing Democrat vendetta based on nothing but hatred of Trump.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 2840 of 5796 (863390)
09-25-2019 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2839 by Faith
09-25-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
Faith writes:
First, none of those things is illegal.
Obstruction of Justice and Congress are both illegal. Obstruction of a congressional investigation was one of the articles of impeachment during Watergate.
As of now, Trump has personally withheld money from a country fighting for its existence, and while withholding that money he pushed the country's leader to investigate one of his political opponents. He used tax payer money as leverage to benefit his own campaign, and tried to collude with a foreign country to affect the upcoming election. If Obama had done this, you would be screaming for impeachment at the top of your lungs.

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Message 2841 of 5796 (863408)
09-25-2019 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2839 by Faith
09-25-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
So then impeachment is yet another topic which you do not understand. Of course, this admonition will fall on deaf ears yet again: Learn something about a subject before you pontificate on it!
Grounds for impeachment are not required to be violations of the law -- they can be, but they are not required to be. One can be impeached for violating one's oath of office, for abuse of power, for corruption, for severe ethics violations, for collusion with hostile foreign powers, for treasonous conduct, etc.
Let's look at collusion more closely. Collusion is not illegal, because there is no law concerning collusion and there is not even any legal definition of collusion, as Mueller explained in his report. Conspiracy, basically collusion taken to an extreme, is illegal, but can be difficult to prove. But even though collusion in itself is not illegal, it is valid grounds for impeachment. The Mueller Report clearly shows that Trump and his campaign were up to their necks in collusion, but since Mueller was conducting a criminal investigation he could do nothing more about it than to report the facts; he left it up to Congress to address the question of collusion with their powers up to and possibly including impeachment.
Treasonous conduct is also sticky. Treason can be difficult to convict someone of because it is narrowly defined (eg, during time of war). However, certain conduct can be determined to be treasonous even without rising to legal level of treason. Such as close collusion with a hostile country (eg, Trump's long private conversations with Putin where no other American was present). Such as handing classified material over to representatives of a hostile country (as Trump did with the Russian ambassador in the Oval Office with no other Americans present -- the Russians leaked that one). Such as compromising national security.
Percy writes:
For the cowardly Democrats in Congress
paying off paramours,
obstructing justice,
accepting emoluments,
hiding his tax returns,
refusing to put his business in a blind trust,
and stonewalling all congressional inquiries
(just to mention the worst) wasn't enough. But apparently inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top for these paragons of gutlessness, and now Pelosi believes she finally has sufficient House support to begin impeachment inquiries.
First, none of those things is illegal.
Completely false, as already pointed out by Taq. But to follow the rest of your misunderstandings:
In the case of paying off the paramours is it better to ...
You are deflecting and diverting again. And in playing your tired game of "what about ... ?", you overlook the simple fact that such a sex scandal has sunk many political careers. But that's not the question here.
What Trump did in engineering those pay-offs was in clear violation of campaign finance laws. Mike Cohen is already in prison for his part in it and in the cover-up (hey, if it's so innocent an act, why try to cover it up?). Trump has been identified as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in that case. The only thing that is preventing Trump's indictment in that case is that OLC memo preventing the indictment of a sitting president. Once Trump leaves office in or before 2021, then he can be indicted and prosecuted for his part in that crime.
In the meantime, his part in that criminal conspiracy would qualify as one of the many grounds for impeachment that are hanging over his head.
Percy writes:
obstructing justice,
But he did no such thing.
Absolutely false! First, obstructing justice is most definitely a crime, one for which many people have been convicted and have gone to prison for.
The Mueller Report cites and describes at least 10 instances in which Trump acted to obstruct justice. Remember, it's the attempt to obstruct that counts, not whether the attempt succeeded. That would be like arguing that you can't prosecute a bank robber because he was arrested in the middle of an attempted bank robbery. And again, it was only that OLC memo that prevented Mueller from indicting Trump for obstruction, but rather he had to leave it up to Congress to follow through. And once Trump leaves office, then he can be indicted and prosecuted for those acts of obstruction.
But Trump's acts of obstructing justice (and Congress) are continuous. Trump commits obstruction every time that he blocks an investigation and that he orders his people to block an investigation. That includes, but not limited to, ignoring subpoenas, violating federal laws (eg, keeping the DNI from delivering whistleblower reports to Congress as required by federal law, keeping the IRS from providing tax information to Congress as required by federal law), refusing to enforce federal laws.
Obstruction of justice and of Congress are illegal. Also note that one of the articles of impeachment against Nixon was ignoring a Congressional subpoena, so there is precedence.
Percy writes:
accepting emoluments,
For what? There's nothing wrong with accepting money as long as it's legal and there's no reason to think anything he accepted wasn't.
Receiving emoluments, both foreign and domestic, is explicitly forbidden by The Constitution of the United States of America and grounds for impeachment.
The President may not accept any money outside of his pay. Penultimate (ie, next to last) paragraph of Article II Section 1:
quote:
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Receiving emoluments is in violation of the Constitution and is an impeachable offense.
Percy writes:
hiding his tax returns,
You mean refusing to allow public scrutiny of his private life which is his right?
A president's finances are no longer private, but rather are a valid concern of Congress serving their Constitutional duty of oversight. Any conflict of interest that may exist must be known and dealt with.
That does not mean that those tax returns would be released to the public, but it does mean that the appropriate congressional committees are absolutely required access to those returns. For that reason, federal law requires that the IRS SHALL release anybody's tax returns to Congress upon request.
Now, Trump is infamous for leaving a large number of government positions unfilled, yet he was very careful to appoint his people to the top positions of the IRS, three layers of delegation down. He was very careful to have his people in position to block any request for his tax returns by directly violating federal law. This ordering someone to violate the law is yet another count of obstruction of justice against Trump -- like I said, Trump's crimes just keep piling up day after day.
Now, before you try to deflect and divert again with false claims that "no other President has ever had to endure this before!", that's just yet another bullshirt liie. Every president's tax returns have been subject to examination and review. Sitting presidents are routinely under tax audit. The only difference is that this president refuses to be audited and there is no limit to the extremes that he will go to to keep his finances secret. This is a blatantly obvious cover-up, so just what is he so desperate to cover up?
My own personal suspicion is that they will show how much money he was getting from Russian sources. Records from Deutsche Bank would also be very illuminating, given their past record of laundering Russian oligarch money.
Percy writes:
refusing to put his business in a blind trust,
Apparently also his right and perfectly legal?
This is an ethics violation. Putting your business in a blind trust is a measure to eliminate conflicts of interest. There is no law requiring it (not yet!) but there is a moral and ethical requirement for it. Since Trump has no sense of morality nor ethics, he ignored it.
Now what would happen if Trump had to take measures against a country where he has financial interest? That would be a conflict of interest. Which would come first, country or personal financial interests? Of course, for Trump his personal finances come first above everything, except possibly his ego. He had financial interests in Russia and look how he has constantly pandered to Russia. When you look at the list of countries in his infamous Muslim ban, conspicuous in their absence on the list were the Muslim countries where he had financial interests.
That is precisely why a president must put his business in a blind trust, in order to avoid those conflicts of interest. And Trump's acting on his conflicts of interest is clearly grounds for impeachment.
It should also be pointed out that keeping his businesses provides a conduit for receiving emoluments (effectively bribes). Also a conduit for Trump to funnel government money into his own pocket every time he goes golfing at one of his own resorts, which is almost every weekend.
Percy writes:
and stonewalling all congressional inquiries
Which are all nothing more than harassment, not in any sense legitimate inquiries
More bullshirt liies! Oversight of the Executive is one of Congress' constitutional duties. Those inquiries are a necessary part of their oversight duty without which they cannot possibly perform that duty.
And every time he blocks a congressional inquiries and orders an underling to ignore or block an inquiry, he commits yet another act of obstruction, which is illegal.
Thoroughly impeachable.
Percy writes:
inviting campaign help from a foreign country has finally put Trump over the top
We're still waiting to find out if there's anything to this but I guess they think there must be? One thing I keep hearing is that the "whistleblower" got his information secondhand, which means he's not legally a whistleblower.
It was help from Russia that got Trump into office to begin with. The other day a commentator quoted the old black women in her church: "The devil doesn't have any new tricks." Trump knows what got him into office so he's seeking that same kind of help again.
You're hearing spin. We need for that whistleblower to testify before congressional committees. But even without that whistleblower report, the transcript that the WH released shows Trump shaking down the Ukrainian president.
Well, wait and see what comes of this ongoing Democrat vendetta based on nothing but hatred of Trump.
No, what we have is a long litany of offenses by Trump who is endangering our country.
But if Trump is so innocent and all that, why doesn't he just produce the requested documentation that would clear him, that would exonerate him completely? If he has nothing to hide, why is he so adamant about hiding everything at very great financial expense (armies of lawyers don't come cheap)?
I remember that Trump himself said that taking the Fifth is an admission of guilt, because if you were actually innocent that you wouldn't need to take the Fifth. All of Trump's actions are effectively taking the Fifth. By his own standards, he must be guilty as sin.
 
ABE:
I forgot to mention another federal law that Trump violated when he broadcast a false weather warning and then falsified an official weather map, so then two counts of violating that federal law. This is also known as "SharpieGate".
Edited by dwise1, : ABE: SharpieGate

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Message 2842 of 5796 (863410)
09-25-2019 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2839 by Faith
09-25-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
First, none of those things is illegal.
In the case of paying off the paramours
the pay offs could be violations of campaign finance laws. it's being investigated.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
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Message 2843 of 5796 (863413)
09-25-2019 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2839 by Faith
09-25-2019 11:25 AM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
Today I saw an opinion piece that gives a short list of Trump's many transgressions, most of them impeachable.
"Donald Trump vs. the United States of America", New York Times, David Leonhardt, 2019 Sep 22, https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/opinion/trump-ukraine-whistle-blower.html?fbclid=IwAR0ljBh2q5swuPvXUOo8moTrgODWGgwJZwPzoyO8MIBCu0fqjwaw1R-msts:
quote:
Trump has pressured a foreign leader to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
He urged a foreign country to intervene in the 2016 presidential election.
He divulged classified information to foreign officials.
He publicly undermined American intelligence agents while standing next to a hostile foreign autocrat.
He hired a national security adviser who he knew had secretly worked as a foreign lobbyist.
He encourages foreign leaders to enrich him and his family by staying at his hotels.
He genuflects to murderous dictators.
He has alienated America’s closest allies.
He lied to the American people about his company’s business dealings in Russia.
He tells new lies virtually every week about the economy, voter fraud, even the weather.
He spends hours on end watching television and days on end staying at resorts.
He often declines to read briefing books or perform other basic functions of a president’s job.
He has aides, as well as members of his own party in Congress, who mock him behind his back as unfit for office.
He has repeatedly denigrated a deceased United States senator who was a war hero.
He insulted a Gold Star family the survivors of American troops killed in action.
He described a former first lady, not long after she died, as nasty.
He described white supremacists as some very fine people.
He told four women of color, all citizens and members of Congress, to go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came.
He made a joke about Pocahontas during a ceremony honoring Native American World War II veterans.
He launched his political career by falsely claiming that the first black president was not really American.
He launched his presidential campaign by describing Mexicans as rapists.
He has described women, variously, as a dog, a pig and horseface, as well as bleeding badly from a facelift and having blood coming out of her wherever.
He has been accused of sexual assault or misconduct by multiple women.
He enthusiastically campaigned for a Senate candidate who was accused of molesting multiple teenage girls.
He waved around his arms, while giving a speech, to ridicule a physically disabled person.
He has encouraged his supporters to commit violence against his political opponents.
He has called for his opponents and critics to be investigated and jailed.
He uses a phrase popular with dictators the enemy of the people to describe journalists.
He attempts to undermine any independent source of information that he does not like, including judges, scientists, journalists, election officials, the F.B.I., the C.I.A., the Congressional Budget Office and the National Weather Service.
He has tried to harass the chairman of the Federal Reserve into lowering interest rates.
He said that a judge could not be objective because of his Mexican heritage.
He obstructed justice by trying to influence an investigation into his presidential campaign.
He violated federal law by directing his lawyer to pay $280,000 in hush money to cover up two apparent extramarital affairs.
He made his fortune partly through wide-scale financial fraud.
He has refused to release his tax returns.
He falsely accused his predecessor of wiretapping him.
He claimed that federal law-enforcement agents and prosecutors regularly fabricated evidence, thereby damaging the credibility of criminal investigations across the country.
He has ordered children to be physically separated from their parents.
He has suggested that America is no different from or better than Vladimir Putin’s Russia.
He has called America a hellhole.
He is the president of the United States, and he is a threat to virtually everything that the United States should stand for.

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Message 2844 of 5796 (863414)
09-25-2019 5:27 PM
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09-25-2019 5:06 PM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
So what? Stop lecturing me. I didn't say impeachment depends on the legal status of these things, just that they have no legal status. So many keep predicting that he's going to jail after his term of office and that certainly implies legal problems. I'm saying there aren't any. And I only read the first sentence or two of your lecture, have no interest in reading more.

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Message 2845 of 5796 (863415)
09-25-2019 5:29 PM
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09-25-2019 5:12 PM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
The very first item on your list is false. I'm reading no more.

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Message 2846 of 5796 (863416)
09-25-2019 5:29 PM


The Absence of Ethics
What is becoming more and more obvious is that many conservatives have no idea what morality and ethics are, or they are pretending they don't know what they are.
Let's say you are an elected official who is in charge of choosing construction bids for government projects. You also own a construction business that is bidding for those contracts. Is this unethical? YES!!!! Even if it can be shown that you are fair when you choose a bid, it is still unethical. You don't have to overtly do the wrong thing to be unethical.
If you are the elected leader of a government in charge of foreign policy that will also affect the profits from a company you own and run, that is unethical in every single way possible. When you ask a country for a personal favor that will help you personally while withholding foreign aid, that is extremely unethical. You don't need to ask for an overt quid pro quo, just the request in itself is massively unethical.
The fact that Republicans are trying to defend the President by saying he didn't make an overt quid pro quo request only demonstrates that Republicans don't understand ethics or morality. All they are doing is filling up the swamp.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 2847 of 5796 (863417)
09-25-2019 5:31 PM
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09-25-2019 2:46 PM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
There was no obstruction of justice or of Congress. And all the rest of the allegations by the Left are the usual fake news.

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Message 2848 of 5796 (863418)
09-25-2019 5:32 PM
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09-25-2019 5:29 PM


Re: The Absence of Ethics
There WAS no quid quo pro.
All this stuff is coming from the party that thought Mueller was going to be the end of Trump. Instead Mueller's report found nothing to charge him with, essentially exonderating him. Nevertheless the vendetta continues and will no doubt keep on forever without a shred of rational justification. I'm not bothering to address any of it. I just hope eventually the truth comes out about all this craziness.
And I am NOT saying Trump is any model of morality or anything else. The man is flawed, but not to the point that any of us on the Right would be willing to tolerate any of the crazy people running for President on the Democrat side.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 2849 of 5796 (863421)
09-25-2019 5:39 PM
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Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
Faith writes:
There was no obstruction of justice or of Congress.
The Mueller report said just the opposite, that there was obstruction of justice. The only thing that stopped Mueller from prosecuting Trump was that he was president.
And all the rest of the allegations by the Left are the usual fake news.
It is not an allegation that Trump withheld foreign aid from Ukraine. It is not an allegation that Trump asked the leader of Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent. These are all things that Trump himself said he did.

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Message 2850 of 5796 (863423)
09-25-2019 5:44 PM
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09-25-2019 5:39 PM


Re: Impeachment Daydream of the Left
No the Mueller report did NOT SAY there was obstruction of justice. It listed some things Trump said that it insinuated were obstruction of justice but weren't. If the report had found true obstruction of justice it would have charged him with it, because that was its purpose, to find chargeable criminal activity. It found nothing it could charge him with, and made up a lie to explain why which contradicted a previous statement, but they couldn't resist pretending he was criminally at fault anyway because that's what the Left does these days. It's a massive fraud on the American public and I would like to see the whole bunch of them prosecuted for their part in it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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