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I certainly didn't have your personal expenditure of energy in mind, but the whole collective leftist effort. The odd silence on the phone after the grandmother said he was born in Kenya, followed by the "protesting too much" tone of the "correction," then the birth certificate that has some letters typed on it that should match each other but don't, which is hard to account for from the old manual typewriter that supposedly typed it up, and the mailman's memory that Obama was identified as a "foreign student" are all circumstantial but all together make a stronger impression than the attempts to rationalize it away. If it doesn't matter, fine, that means Ted Cruz can run for President then and there was no need to bother digging up the birth certificate at all.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You have never shown this birth certificate. As I stated before a birth certificate is not a particular document. A birth certificate is produced by the technology of the time. The birth record is kept in government records. Now days it is probably not even an entry into a book. The information is kept in government databases. The birth certificate is produced on a printer on special paper the county uses. There is no such thing as an original birth certificate. I have a birth certificate that was typed out in 1981. If I requested one now it would be printed out by a computer. Both birth certificates would be considered an original. Request your birth certificate and see what you get.Are you really this dense or does your hate blind you? The inability for the rightwing haters to even attempt to understand what they are talking about is stunning. Yet no one has provided corroborating evidence for this memory. No one has been able to show this supposed foreign student was Obama. The postman admits he was not told his name. There is no evidence Ayers and Obama ever met before 1995.
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Obama's mother's birth certificate is all we really need here. That is what establishes Obama as an American citizen, no matter where he was born. Last I checked, his mother's American citizenship is not in question.

Why does any of this matter? Obama's mother was an American citizen, as were his maternal grandparents. This is beyond doubt. It doesn't matter where in the world Obama was born, he would still be an American citizen and be qualified to run for US President. This is because children born to American citizens are American citizens.For a counter example, Ted Cruz was born in Canada, not in the US. He freely admits this. One of his parents was an American citizen, so that made Ted Cruz an American citizen. Ted Cruz ran for the presidential nomination in the Republican party, and no one batted an eye. Why is that? Is it because Ted Cruz looks more Caucasian than Obama does?Edited by Taq, : No reason given.Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

That's a classic case of physchological projection. Why so much energy expended in trying to claim that Obama was born in Kenya if it doesn't matter? The answer is obvious. Republicans thought they could delegitimize Obama by linking him to his Kenyan family in the eyes of their racist voters. This is doubly supported by the fact that no Republican had a problem with Ted Cruz being born in Canada.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if he had been born in Mexico.

Or Cuba where his father was born and raised?Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

You mean that people other than me have also each spent a few minutes mocking loonies on the internet?

No I meant arguments such as that the grandmother was talking about her own son being born in Kenya, or making a big deal out of how the mailman's memory wasn't corroborated and that sort of thing.

In other words actual data and facts do not matter. What matters is that you will use the most tenuous of information as evidence to back up your claims. As I have stated before your mantra is.

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Actual data and facts? All I see on your side is the usual propaganda, not data and facts.

Oh yeah you have that mistyped birth certificate that no one else seems to have ever seen.The recording of the grandmother is not factual data that he Obama was born in Kenya. At best it can be used by crackpots to attempt to muddy the waters. Even if there was clear evidence that she said he was born in Kenya there is no other corroborataing evidence. Finally on that point so what? What effect other than an clear outright racist attack would it matter if he was born in Kenya? Why would it be an issue?The ravings of a mailman 30 years later than the so called incident is not factual data. There is no corroborating evidence. This mailman does not even know the year this happened. The whole premise is extremely racist. If he saw a black student it had to be Barack Obama? He was the only black student in Chicago? There is no other data or information that supports this. It is laughable that people have taken such a tenuous thread and have made it the end all and be all of the birther conspiracy. If Obama would have said such a thing to a random mailman do you not think that other people would have heard him say the same of similar things? If the Ayers referred to him as a foreign student, don't you think other people that knew him at that time would have referred to him the same way. Oh wait that is right the cabal killed them all. Well except people like the woman he lived with at the time and proposed to.
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The mailman didn't "rave," he was quite credible.

What made him credible? Have you seen a recorded interview of him? Who is the source of the story? What corroboration is there?

Fact: It doesn't matter where Obama was born, he would have still been qualified to run for President.Fact: Ted Cruz was born in Canada, and no Republican thought it disqualified him as a Presidential candidate.Fact: The Republican obsession with Obama's birthplace has nothing to do with his qualifications to be POTUS.Question: Then why are Republicans so obsessed with Obama's place of birth?Can you answer that question?Edited by Taq, : No reason given.