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Message 392 of 953 (859459)
07-31-2019 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by Faith
07-31-2019 2:39 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Faith writes:
I know everything he's said since he became President that the Left keeps calling racist, which they do just because that's what they do, because character assassination is their method, and they couldn't care less about the truth as long as they have this crying need to destroy a particular political opponent.
Projection at its finest. How many posts have you spent attacking the character of Democrats?
It's rather simple. If someone says that a black American, born in this country, needs to go back to Africa where they came from . . . doesn't that sound a bit racist to you? Why would it change if we are talking about hispanics?
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Message 546 of 953 (860148)
08-05-2019 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by dwise1
08-05-2019 2:07 PM


Re: New Hampshire also "infested" according to Trump
dwise1 writes:
Trump has no ideology, but he knows how to read a crowd and how to play to it.
Indeed. Trump is more of a mirror being held up to his electorate. What he does and says is meant to appeal to whomever is standing in front of him at that moment. A chameleon would be jealous.

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Message 858 of 953 (862934)
09-17-2019 11:21 AM
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09-06-2019 9:26 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
JohF writes:
THe document postedd here is the one and only official birth certificate. It proves you are wrong.
Obama's mother's birth certificate is all we really need here. That is what establishes Obama as an American citizen, no matter where he was born. Last I checked, his mother's American citizenship is not in question.

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Message 859 of 953 (862935)
09-17-2019 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 856 by Faith
09-17-2019 10:47 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:
I certainly didn't have your personal expenditure of energy in mind, but the whole collective leftist effort. The odd silence on the phone after the grandmother said he was born in Kenya, followed by the "protesting too much" tone of the "correction," then the birth certificate that has some letters typed on it that should match each other but don't, which is hard to account for from the old manual typewriter that supposedly typed it up, and the mailman's memory that Obama was identified as a "foreign student" are all circumstantial but all together make a stronger impression than the attempts to rationalize it away. If it doesn't matter, fine, that means Ted Cruz can run for President then and there was no need to bother digging up the birth certificate at all.
Why does any of this matter? Obama's mother was an American citizen, as were his maternal grandparents. This is beyond doubt. It doesn't matter where in the world Obama was born, he would still be an American citizen and be qualified to run for US President. This is because children born to American citizens are American citizens.
For a counter example, Ted Cruz was born in Canada, not in the US. He freely admits this. One of his parents was an American citizen, so that made Ted Cruz an American citizen. Ted Cruz ran for the presidential nomination in the Republican party, and no one batted an eye. Why is that? Is it because Ted Cruz looks more Caucasian than Obama does?
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Message 860 of 953 (862937)
09-17-2019 11:55 AM
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09-17-2019 12:40 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:
Why is so much energy expended on proving he wasn't born in Kenya if it doesn't matter?
That's a classic case of physchological projection. Why so much energy expended in trying to claim that Obama was born in Kenya if it doesn't matter? The answer is obvious. Republicans thought they could delegitimize Obama by linking him to his Kenyan family in the eyes of their racist voters. This is doubly supported by the fact that no Republican had a problem with Ted Cruz being born in Canada.

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Message 862 of 953 (862939)
09-17-2019 12:14 PM
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09-17-2019 12:09 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
ringo writes:
I wonder what the reaction would have been if he had been born in Mexico.
Or Cuba where his father was born and raised?
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Message 870 of 953 (863017)
09-18-2019 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 866 by Faith
09-18-2019 10:52 AM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Faith writes:
All I see on your side is the usual propaganda, not data and facts.
Fact: It doesn't matter where Obama was born, he would have still been qualified to run for President.
Fact: Ted Cruz was born in Canada, and no Republican thought it disqualified him as a Presidential candidate.
Fact: The Republican obsession with Obama's birthplace has nothing to do with his qualifications to be POTUS.
Question: Then why are Republicans so obsessed with Obama's place of birth?
Can you answer that question?
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Message 872 of 953 (863030)
09-18-2019 7:44 PM
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09-18-2019 6:31 PM


Re: I forgot about Snopes
Hyroglyphx writes:
If it could be proven that he was in fact Kenyan and not a naturalized American, as is a Constitutional provision to be eligible for POTUS, then he would immediately be taken out of the White House.
Then Ted Cruz would not have been a naturalized American because he was born in Canada. So why in the world did the Republicans let him run in the Republican primaries?
The actual law says that you are a naturalized American if one of your parents was born in the US. Since Obama's mother was born in the US . . .

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Message 883 of 953 (863065)
09-19-2019 3:11 PM
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09-18-2019 8:38 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:
I have no motivation whatever except having been convinced that he was in fact born in Kenya, which is furthered by the Left's crazy ways of responding to the idea. If there is any other kind of motivation, having to do with objections to Obama, it's not racial, it's ideological.
What in the world does being born in Kenya have to do with ideologies?
I didn't want the man to be President because of his beliefs, nothing to do with his race.
Being born in Kenya would not have stopped him from being President because his mother was an American citizen. So why the obsession with Obama's place of birth?

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Message 884 of 953 (863066)
09-19-2019 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 882 by Faith
09-19-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Where is the birth certificate Faith?
Faith writes:
I've got it, I'll post it later. Not much to it turns out, but then you'd have guessed that. Anyway, later.
Let's say that Obama said from the very start that he was born in Kenya? Then what? He could still run for President and take the oath of office. He still fulfills all of the constitutional qualifications because he was a naturalized citizen due to his mother being born in the US.
So why keep pushing this?

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Message 893 of 953 (863079)
09-19-2019 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 888 by Faith
09-19-2019 5:07 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:
I'm simply saying my object5ions to him are ideological and have nothing to do with hate or racism.
What does this have to do with your obsession over his birth place? Why does that matter to you? Why is it so important to you to prove Obama was born in Kenya?
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Message 896 of 953 (863086)
09-19-2019 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 895 by Faith
09-19-2019 5:31 PM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:
Who said it's important?
There were tons of Republicans who thought it was really important when Obama was running for President, and after he was elected. Trump even pushed this narrative. Strangely, Trump didn't say a word about his opponent in the Republican primary being born outside of the US.
So how do you explain all this sturm und drang in conservative circles over Obama's birthplace?
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Message 910 of 953 (863118)
09-20-2019 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 897 by Faith
09-20-2019 5:44 AM


Re: Obama's birthplace
Faith writes:
Looked up the subject on You Tube and found some discussions from a few years ago, one of them showing the certificate on a screen and going into great detail about various numbers on it. I was only going to post on a few letters that don't seem to fit what an old typewriter would do: that is, the same letter should appear the same wherever it occurs in the text: if one is high all should be high, if one is faded looking because it didn't strike hard enough every use of that letter should look like that. But I see that there are many other issues that can be raised about the birth certificate and I'm not up to spending time on it so I'm going to drop the subject for now.
Cheers.
Nowhere in there did you even attempt to address what I was asking. Here it is again:
So how do you explain all this sturm und drang in conservative circles over Obama's birthplace?

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