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Phat Member Posts: 14961 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
"Making Sense of the Old Testament" is kind of a bad way to start. It assumes that the Old Testament will "make sense" if you look at it "correctly". That's the beginning of dishonesty right there. Stop spamming us with these links and actually bring the arguments here. “Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.” -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Well, you've absorbed enough to decide that they're "high quality". That should be enough to articulate a response. Or does "high quality" just mean they tell you what you want to hear?
If there's nothing to quote, you don't need to quote. Use your own words.
There's no belief and no audacity. The scripture says what it says. If you want to claim that it doesn't mean what it says, you need something extraordinary to back up that claim. The onus is on you to pony up the backup. “Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.” -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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jar Member Posts: 33179 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
Yet you and all the other Apologists have NEVER presented a process, procedure, method or mechanism to explain how anyone can actually find Jesus or GOD other than through what has been written in the Bible.
Which is all simply yet another example of your ********** as you have no idea what Mama said, mama said. Fool! But there is yet more glaring falsehoods in what you post. First the evidence is overwhelming that people find god through the religion they happen to be born into. Other find god in "Conversion" experiences. People find god through the Glorious Qu'ran, the writings of Mencius and Confucius, through Tao Chi or through any one of the many Hindu Esthetics. Second there is reality and fantasies can be tested against reality. What happens when you test the claims and writings of the apologists against reality?
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Phat Member Posts: 14961 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
I observe you and Stile going round and round. In some ways you two are alike and in some ways you are different. You are different in that you claim to always be looking for God as a useful realistic pursuit, whereas he declares the reasoning why he concludes there is none. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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Phat Member Posts: 14961 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Moreover, after examining the evidence you gave me, I conclude..(tentatively) that 1) Ravi did, in fact, have communication with the woman. It is unclear by the blacked-out texts and court insinuations from the woman how guilty he was at exploiting/pursuing her. I tend to see it as she and her husband attempting to extort him. Nevertheless, I will take your evidence into consideration when judging his character, despite the fact that everyone sins and makes mistakes. Ravi blew it, quite frankly...by even trying to interact with that person. They likely felt that broader public disclosure would have hurt the ministry...not through Ravi being a snake (which I don't believe he was..) but by calling into question his character. I will agree that he also blundered by exaggerating his credentials. That is not relevant in regards to the ministry in that I see many apologists there with valid and honest credentials and education, likely due to the fact that they purposefully went that direction after Ravi's careless blunders. You have a bias against Christianity and apologetics anyway, so I expect it from you. You might argue that I have a similar bias that Christians are better than other people and always deserve a free pass of forgiveness, so we are even in that regard. Getting back to what the RZIM leaders present in the podcasts is my focus, however. I see no snake oil there. It appears you are biased towards the God marketed by either Faith herself or in probability Christianity in general. You might even say that what you object to is clearly contained within scripture. My question is that if you were to believe that a higher power existed, what attributes would *you* expect such a higher power to have? You seem big on integrity. What would it take for this Higher Power to do or to exhibit that would gain your respect, if not worship? Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
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ringo Member Posts: 18874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
How is that an "overall interpretation"? It's an obvious fact - and one that applies to a lot of books.
You can't use the book itself to back up the book itself to back up the book itself to back up the book itself to back up the book itself to back up the book itself to back up the book itself....
No. Why would you suggest that it isn't?
You have it backwards. I can see what works. The people have to help each other if there's going to be any help because your God is flat-out not doing it. I could see that whether or not I had ever heard of the Bible.
I don't self-identify as an atheist. I self-identify as agnostic. My reasoning is similar to your reasoning about the Tooth Fairy: it's just a silly idea. And the idiotic theology that you spout doesn't make it any less silly. “Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing.” -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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