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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I will try to find the best source for you. There are at least a few discussions of it on You Tube that you can find on this Google page The first two are mainstream news sources, ABC and CBS. The first one makes it clear that a wall helps in some places more than others and that many other aids are needed.
But as I said I'll try to find a really good source for you. I hear this stuff all the time on conservative talk radio where Border Patrol are interviewed, perhaps even on Leftist Google I can find something along those lines.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are different needs at different points along the border and you are just one point and the Border Patrol you are talking to may not have an overview for the whole border.
What good does surveillance do without some kind of barrier? If people can just walk into the country you are going to spend all your time chasing them. Clearly some kind of physical barrier would be a big help. We can talk about what kind of barrier for what kind of terrain since apparently there are different needs, but no barrier at all makes no sense at all. AbE: I think it was the second, CBS? report on that Google page that interviews some people who live along the border who have spent their own money to build fences to keep illegals off their property. Cllearly there is need for barriers along the border. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Faith writes: I recognize the need for a strong military, modern and fully in step with today's technology rather than 20-40 years old. We spend more than the next 5 countries combined, although both China and Russia have developed some sophisticated weapons which had to have been most of their budget.I think that Carriers are useful...but that we have enough. It costs a lot to protect and service a fleet. Just as warfare and military intelligence left the battleship era in the dust, the carrier era needs to be evaluated realistically. Of course, our air power is the key to our global power and reach, but we do need to pull back from every corner of the globe and let somebody else spend the money to police it. There are no easy solutions. My friend in Hong Kong is very intelligent and he sees China reclaiming Hong Kong in a decade or so. They are moving to Portugal. I think we need to spend our money wisely and not beholden to special interest groups within the military-industrial complex who have special interests in those funds. You didn't really answer the question if you think we are spending too much on the military though.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
...but we do need to pull back from every corner of the globe and let somebody else spend the money to police it. Who might that be, though, and how are you going to get them to take that role? And, why do you think we "need to pull back" from that job anyway? I don't feel I have any way to assess such decisions, it takes military people to make such judgments. And yes of course they are going to disagree with each other too, but I know I don't have anything to offer about it and I'm not sure any other nonprofessional does either.
There are no easy solutions. My friend in Hong Kong is very intelligent and he sees China reclaiming Hong Kong in a decade or so. They are moving to Portugal. Could be sooner than a decade or so. Sounds like they know what's coming though and are making a necessary decision to protect themselves. Not sure what your point is here though with respect to our military decisions.
I think we need to spend our money wisely and not beholden to special interest groups within the military-industrial complex who have special interests in those funds. Reasonable but how do you judge such things? I think we must have a strong defensive military but I also know there's reason to believe we've made some bad decisions about how to use it over the years, and that some special interests have skewed things against our best interests. There's the fallen world for you. That's lamentable but I don't see how it affects the question of having to maintain an expensive military. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, it's not clear and there is no evidence that a wall would be effective.
What is needed is to fix immigration laws, find ways to HELP the immigrants and increase the access through the gateways. Get more in and welcome them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm all for better immigration laws, that's for sure, starting with No more "catch and release," and i'm fine with encouraging LEGAL immigration. Nevertheless we need physical barriers in order to have control over these things.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Seeking asylum is legal.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sometimes it is, sometimes it's fraudulent.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is always legal until after the individual has had full due process.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Seeking asylum is always legal. It may not be granted, but seeking and applying for asylum is always legal.
There are US and international laws and procedures. The US government is now in violation of US and international law.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Certainly there are situations that can be determined as legal or not before the process is even begun, on the nature of the claim.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, since only a court of law can make that determination.
What we need is not a wall but rather more access and welcome centers.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What we need is not a wall but rather more access and welcome centers. What we need is less access for criminals, drug cartels, human traffickers, those who rape women on the trek north and the like, and a way to permanently deport those who have committed rapes and murders while inh the country illegally, who get deported only to return and repeat their crimes. We need a LOT LESS access for those and welcome centers will not accomplish that. Walls could help, along with all the other methods of keeping people out that are suggested. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
No. Again and repeatedly no. Only after due process and review of the court can that be determined.
That is like saying someone can be determined to be guilty of murder without going through the court system. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It is insane to apply our court system and laws meant for citizens to foreigners. We ought to be able to judge which foreigners deserve our consideration and which don't without a court procedure.
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