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Message 239 of 334 (854186)
06-05-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 12:54 PM


Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
No, Nobody has told me that I have no right to free speech, though you claim to speak on behalf of all of EvC when you attempt to censor me here. Granted I do get upset when you belittle my beliefs, for I feel that you are belittling my intelligence.
I discussed EvC anonymously on YouTube.
So how specifically am I a threat to you? Quotes might help state your case.
If I find that I am guilty I will retract my statements.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Message 241 of 334 (854236)
06-06-2019 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Theodoric
06-05-2019 10:44 PM


I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
  • Do you think people should be able to criticize your religion? Of course I support freedom of speech, but I worry that the wrong spirit is permeating the culture. Granted we have had wrong spirits(vibes) before. In some ways, things are getting better and in other ways, things are getting worse.
  • Do you think people should be able to question the existence of your god? Not only are they able...they can't help it. It is intrinsic to the fallen nature to deny that God exists. But I support freedom of expression as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of another. Religious beliefs should be protected and personal, however. If the world actually does evolve to the inevitable conclusions of prophecy, people will no longer question the premise. Everyone will know. It is in such an environment that persecution can happen. It is when Raptures could occur. It is when the fantasy becomes reality. And to take a page from jars book, the scenario will likely be what no one expected nor prophesied.
    Do you think people should be able to blaspheme against the Jesus guy and your pitiful excuse for a god? Thats what free will basically is. People have chosen their destinies as best as they can. They are fully responsible for their actions. This includes all of us. Do you think the government should treat atheists differently? The government? This entity is composed of many individuals. I believe they have chosen which club to belong to. God is not threatened by any of this. He is a threat only to those who oppose Him. I would get to know Him if I were you.
    Answer honestly. Do you think people should be allowed to make fun of your god without retribution? They should never fear retribution from us. What they should fear is retribution from God. I tend to believe, however, that it takes a lot to piss Him off.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 243 of 334 (854243)
    06-06-2019 8:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 242 by Theodoric
    06-06-2019 8:15 AM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Don't need your preaching. Save it for the Faith forums.
    lol
    And I don't need your evidence nor your insistence upon framing secular belief as the global default. Save it for your Starbucks coffee get-togethers with the inclusivists!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 244 of 334 (854244)
    06-06-2019 9:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 236 by Theodoric
    06-05-2019 12:06 PM


    Re: a personal encounter with the supernatural
    theodoric, accusing me writes:
    You would support the suppression and punishment of people that you feel are a threat to your religious beliefs.
    No. What I would support is the idea that secular humanism never becomes the global default "belief". It is a tool of the antichrist.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 247 of 334 (854266)
    06-06-2019 12:37 PM
    Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:16 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    You're calling God a liar.
    No. Technically I'm calling the spirit the runs you around a liar. It masquerades as rational and logical yet denies Jesus Christ and shepherds you into a secular evidence-based world view which ordinarily would be fine...healthy, even. The key that this spirit isn't of God is that it denies Jesus Christ.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Phat
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    Message 250 of 334 (854270)
    06-06-2019 1:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 249 by Tangle
    06-06-2019 12:49 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    tangle writes:
    Are there any other areas of you're life that you've started talking utter shite about Phat? Or is it just this religious shite? Are talking to your doctor about it?
    I am in contact with several Doctors. I am honest with them and take their advice. Much of my current psychosis stems from the Phentermine that I was prescribed for my weight loss. I try and keep the stimulant effects of this drug from overwhelming my usually docile mind, and have informed the Doctor of some of these side effects. Apart from that, I don't get the context of your statement. Are you attempting humor, irony, or honest criticism? Clarification will help my response.
    Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 251 of 334 (854272)
    06-06-2019 1:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:47 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    ringo writes:
    And you deny God when he says there was no "Fall". So why would we pay any attention to what you think the "spirit of God" is?
    God never said that. you interpreted the scripture to say that. It is your little demon...masquerading as God...who is misleading this conversation. So why should we pay any attention to it?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 252 of 334 (854273)
    06-06-2019 1:10 PM
    Reply to: Message 248 by ringo
    06-06-2019 12:47 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    ringo writes:
    Denying Jesus Christ is rational and logical.
    See what it says to you? Are you really going to continue to deny Christ and listen to that little thing? The serious part of all of this is that it has you convinced that it is you. You hear your own voice, but it is that thing that lies to you. Fight it by accepting the voice that spoke the message to you. Fight it by being true to your heart.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
    In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
    ~Stile

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    Message 259 of 334 (863064)
    09-19-2019 3:06 PM
    Reply to: Message 258 by ringo
    06-06-2019 1:55 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    Let me try and find the transcript for you, ringo.
    ringo writes:
    What bugs me is that they tend to think the "overall context" overrides the local context. That gives them leeway to impose their "overall" interpretation on anything.
    Dont you have an overall interpretation of your own? Dont you often use scriptures to support your overall interpretation? I know jar has one. Im going to combine the two of you and call you Jingo!

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Message 261 of 334 (863127)
    09-20-2019 3:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 260 by ringo
    09-19-2019 5:46 PM


    Re: I'll Try And Answer Honestly...
    do point out where the scriptures get it right and where believers get it wrong.
    Fair enough. And you know that it is right because....
    A) The Book says so.
    B) Logic, reason, and the reality of human morality say so.
    IF B, then:
    1) Humans don't need God. We have an intuitive knowledge of right and wrong without Him.
    2) Occasionally, the Bible points out wisdom that we already intuitively knew.
    IF 2, then:
    a) We were born with knowledge of the right intuition.
    Finally, if so, and if God is limited to a human derived book, where did we get our intuitive knowledge of what is right?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Message 269 of 334 (863202)
    09-22-2019 11:17 AM
    Reply to: Message 225 by jar
    04-11-2014 10:19 AM


    A Time To Agree & A Time To Disagree
    What was needed was the participant that as not in agreement, the participant that can step up and say "Nonsense!!!".
    If you were in Episcopal church reciting a liturgy or the BCP, it would be inappropriate for any random congregant to stop the service and voice their own opinion. At the time of prayer and communion, the agreement is shown through the act itself. There are always times to ask questions and voice opinion later.
    True Believers are not an oxymoron but rather just a dead end.
    They can be. They need not be. Im assuming that you label yourself a True Skeptic, or a True Questioner. Which is fine. Obviously God has other plans for you.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Message 270 of 334 (863306)
    09-24-2019 10:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 264 by jar
    09-20-2019 5:19 PM


    Re: sheesh!
    jar writes:
    The Buddha taught everything Jesus taught and hundreds of years before Jesus lived.
    Correction. Hundreds of years before Jesus was "made man". Jesus existed eternally and always will exist. The Buddha is not in the same category. You will argue that humans created all of the religions and all of the characters, but if you really are a Creedal Cradle Christian you would at least acknowledge that He existed long before Buddha.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 272 of 334 (863312)
    09-24-2019 10:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 271 by jar
    09-24-2019 10:40 AM


    Re: sheesh!
    No but the Spirit was around. The question is whether there is more than one possible flow that is good. We are talking both source and content.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Phat
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    Message 274 of 334 (863333)
    09-24-2019 6:57 PM
    Reply to: Message 273 by jar
    09-24-2019 11:14 AM


    Re: sheesh!
    jar writes:
    But there is no evidence of any Spirit Phat.
    There is no evidence of any Demons.
    There is no evidence of anything Supernatural, Good or Evil.
    Subjectively I have experienced enough vague sensations to not personally require any more evidence. Bad Burrito? Nahhh I don't think so. Others may require evidence in order to satisfy their argument. It appears that you have chosen to study the human attempts to describe, define, and quantify God as they understand Him. (or Her/It, for you) I have chosen to believe without objective evidence. Evidence is irrelevant to my understanding.
    So tell me this: When you, a self-proclaimed Christian pray, do you have any conception of who it is you are praying to? Or do you consider the question impossible to assess or conclude?
    For the record, I am clear on who I believe I am praying to. I prefer to call it "communicating with". Objectively I have no method of showing you what I feel, see, believe, or experience. My attempts at clarification may result in word salad, but you always cloud the issue (and frame the argument using *your* standards) when you use that term. This is hardly Language In Thought & Action, here. It is a simple discussion.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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    Message 276 of 334 (863563)
    09-27-2019 11:23 AM
    Reply to: Message 275 by jar
    09-24-2019 8:23 PM


    Re: content?
    How can you have any understanding without evidence?
    Are we talking objective evidence?
    You can have beliefs or fantasies or thoughts or guesses or opinions or slogans or word salad without any evidence but how can anyone have understanding without testing and evidence?
    I test my belief every day.
    Is there a test I am missing? Just by hanging out here at EvC I allow my belief to be falsified by others...though I myself cannot simply throw it away...I don't see how you ever could unless you hold evidence and science in higher regard than Faith & Belief.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
    As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
    ? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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