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Taq
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Message 196 of 762 (863327)
09-24-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Faith
09-24-2019 4:32 PM


Re: So is it possible to have both economic prosperity AND a concern for the environment?
Faith writes:
There is always the usual problem that the Left tends to reduce it all to namecalling and accusations, . . .
Have you read your own posts?
You might need to start with giving Trump some credit for a change and I know that may make it all impossible, but all Trump is doing is trying to accomplish his aim to build up the economy and make America prosperous again, and unfortunately that means reversing some pro-environment laws that interfere with industry.
Trump denies that carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for climate change. If Trump said that he accepts all of the science pointing to humanity's impact on global climate, but wanted to get the policies right, then I would give him some credit. However, he denies the science as do many in the Republican party.
This is the first thing that needs to get fixed. We can't fix a problem if people deny there is a problem. Perhaps you can be a voice inside conservative circles that can start to budge Republicans on this issue.
Why can't we have both an active program to improve the environment AND an active concern to improve the economy?
Why can't building new sources of energy be profitable and improve the economy? We could start building solar panels in coal country, as one example.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 197 of 762 (863347)
09-25-2019 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Theodoric
09-19-2019 8:36 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
I am not surprised that you do not get the point of his comment.
And I'm not surprised that you can't recognize sarcasm.
Hint: corporate welfare has jack shit to do with, well, anything we're talking about. Its just mindless regurgitation of progressive talking points.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 198 of 762 (863349)
09-25-2019 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Theodoric
09-19-2019 8:34 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
You have no real understanding of how public assistance works or who the vast majority of people on public assistance are. Very few of them are freeholders trying to take advantage of the system.
Haha, yeah, okay... So all these Americans are so destitute that it requires government subsistence to survive? Wrong. The overwhelming case is abuse, which is a real shame considering there are still millions who actually do need a legitimate helping hand.
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Go ahead call me a social, justice warrior. I dare you. I wear that with pride.
Okay. You're a Social Justice Warrior
Sounds about as ferocious as a tampon commercial.
Better than being an self entitled, blame the poor wing nut. Oh yeah your alt-right creds are showing again.
I understand. You'd rather have everyone be poor so we can all eat a shit sandwich equally. I understand.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 199 of 762 (863350)
09-25-2019 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by ringo
09-19-2019 11:48 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
I spoke of "having enough to eat" and you go straight to starvation? Surely you aren't so blind that you don't know there are people who don't have enough to eat.
Then maybe you find it ironic how the poorest people also happen to be the fattest people. What its really called is "bad life choices."
Everybody needs food. Some people need to use social programs and charities to feed their children and themselves.
All living things need food... but the lion doesn't ask permission to feed its young. It sees its need and it goes out and gets it. Someone doesn't bring the antelope to it. And, yes, some people do need social programs and charities. I'm distinguishing from the ones that don't and who selfishly and needlessly pilfer from those who do.
It doesn't have to be. A healthy, well-fed workforce is essential to any society.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 200 of 762 (863351)
09-25-2019 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by AZPaul3
09-24-2019 10:44 AM


Re: Why is it always the Environment versus the Economy?
How do you deal with the largest multinational energy companies knowing the dangers of global warming for the last 50 years yet continuing to spend wildly to muddy the science to the public and curtail government efforts to even discuss the issue? Think the lies of Big Tobacco but a billion times bigger.
There is definitely some truth to it that these energy companies execs are so focused on their bottom line that they don't have enough forethought to give two shits about the safety and security of your children 20 years from now, let alone their own. And your implication is right... its laced with disgusting levels of unabashed greed. Pure and simple.
But we also need to recognize that there has been a cultural shift and the pendulum is swinging towards renewable energy. They know it too... and they also now know that there is both a growing market for it and a growing demand. And if greed is their end game, they'll go where the money is. And if green (renewable) can turn into green (cash), they'll back that up too. If Tesla can shake things up, which they have, other companies are soon to follow... and whaddya know... Porshe wants in. Mercedes-Benz wants in. Soon all of them will too.
Having said that, there are a few realities that dictate currently. One of those realities is that while preparation for the future is of the utmost importance, that life is nevertheless in the here and now. There's no point in decrying the evils of gasoline when, if it were to come to a screeching halt tomorrow, the world economy would collapse in less than 24 hours leading to the deaths of untold millions NOW.... forget 25 years from now.
And bet your sweet ass that the loudest and most shrill voices concerning climate change are still driving around in gas-operated motor vehicles on their way to the airport, where the loudest and shrillest voices concerning climate change gleefully hop on a gas-guzzling, carbon-shitting-into-the-atmosphere planes to their final destination... where they then take carbon-emitting cabs to their climate change conferences. But, hey, life still exists in the here and now and even the staunchest adherents about the importance of climate change know that and know that some evils are necessary... for however ironic it might be.
If you have more than a 5% carbon footprint in your daily life, you don't get to cry foul ball about the awful multinational corporations. All you need to do is look in the fucking mirror at the hypocrite staring back at you! Love them, hate them... doesn't matter. They're keeping you alive today. Its fun to scream "blood for oil" when times are good. Let me know how that works out for you when unleaded is $500 a gallon and there's looting in the streets in every nation on earth.
There's money to be made in renewable energy. Once the US, China and India fully embraces it, we'll weather this storm.
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Message 201 of 762 (863357)
09-25-2019 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2019 2:42 AM


Re: Why is it always the Environment versus the Economy?
There is definitely some truth to it that these energy companies execs are so focused on their bottom line that they don't have enough forethought to give two shits about the safety and security of your children 20 years from now, let alone their own.
That's probably asking too much of your average businessman. The bottom line is what their job is all about, and their business is growing their own profits, and Trump favors them because their business grows the American economy very efficiently, provides needed products and provides employment. There is nothing wrong with any of this. Threats they inadvertently create have to be recognized and regulated by law, but if they are overregulated they will move out of the country and not be in a position to to grow the American economy.
We don't have to postulate any nefarious motives in any of this. It's a practical problem that requires practical solutions. I'd add, however, that there is no way to get rid of human sin, if greed is a motivator it has to be channeled and used to good purpose, there is no way to eliminate it. And besides, while the Left loves to point at the rich as the greedy, the fact is that their own fingerpointing is motivated by greed. The envy of the rich by the poor is motivated by greed. Marxism as a system is motivated by greed and that's why it always produces evil tyrannical governments that murder dissenters, make poor people poorer while sustaining a wealthy ruling class.
And your implication is right... its laced with disgusting levels of unabashed greed. Pure and simple.
How do you know this? Sounds like an "article of faith" based on prejudice to me, or even the envy of the rich the poor are encouraged to have these days. Have you ever run a corporation with an eye to the bottom line? Seems to me it might be a much bigger responsibility than you appreciate, and far less motivated by greed than by the need to keep the business running efficiently, suppliers kept supplying and paid, laws understood and followed, taxes paid, and thousands of employees paid on time.
But we also need to recognize that there has been a cultural shift and the pendulum is swinging towards renewable energy. They know it too... and they also now know that there is both a growing market for it and a growing demand. And if greed is their end game, they'll go where the money is. And if green (renewable) can turn into green (cash), they'll back that up too. If Tesla can shake things up, which they have, other companies are soon to follow... and whaddya know... Porshe wants in. Mercedes-Benz wants in. Soon all of them will too.
Good point. If an enterprise produces a socially or enviromentally beneficial but also profitable product, the capitalistic system will provide the practicalities needed to change the economy in the eneficial directions without overregulation.
But at some point we're going to have to look at the actual benefits of this "green" trend. They may not be quite as beneficial as some think.
Having said that, there are a few realities that dictate currently. One of those realities is that while preparation for the future is of the utmost importance, that life is nevertheless in the here and now. There's no point in decrying the evils of gasoline when, if it were to come to a screeching halt tomorrow, the world economy would collapse in less than 24 hours leading to the deaths of untold millions NOW.... forget 25 years from now.
And bet your sweet ass that the loudest and most shrill voices concerning climate change are still driving around in gas-operated motor vehicles on their way to the airport, where the loudest and shrillest voices concerning climate change gleefully hop on a gas-guzzling, carbon-shitting-into-the-atmosphere planes to their final destination... where they then take carbon-emitting cabs to their climate change conferences. But, hey, life still exists in the here and now and even the staunchest adherents about the importance of climate change know that and know that some evils are necessary... for however ironic it might be.
If you have more than a 5% carbon footprint in your daily life, you don't get to cry foul ball about the awful multinational corporations. All you need to do is look in the fucking mirror at the hypocrite staring back at you! Love them, hate them... doesn't matter. They're keeping you alive today. Its fun to scream "blood for oil" when times are good. Let me know how that works out for you when unleaded is $500 a gallon and there's looting in the streets in every nation on earth.
There's money to be made in renewable energy. Once the US, China and India fully embraces it, we'll weather this storm.
The US is already doing more than other nations toward clean air and water. There are also programs for planting more trees and I love that solution. I hear we already have something like twice the number of trees we had when the nation was founded, but we could use ten times that number. I live on a desert and getting anything green to grow here is a labor-intensive project but I think we should be working on it. We should also be doing something to save the Amazon rain forest and maybe establish others if that's possible. The more oxygen we can pump into the atmosphere the better. Methods to cut down emissions help too. We don't need hysteria which usually just creates worse problems, such as the absurd solution of doing away with the combustion engine altogether, the we just need cool-headed human ingenuity, and if it makes money so much the better.
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Message 202 of 762 (863358)
09-25-2019 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Taq
09-24-2019 4:39 PM


Some of the problems and some possible solutions
I meant that instead of constantly bashing Trump his success at improving the economy needs to be recognized. It's what he promised to do and he's done it and that doesn't make him evil except in the eyes of the hysterical anticapitalistic Left.
About the namecalling I was only talking about this subject where it seems to be impossible to get a discussion going because anything said in favor of growing the economy is met with "Liberal" denunciations and strings of invective against Trump. On this subject I agree that protecting the environment is extremely important and I want to promote any really rational ways we can do that without having to destroy the economy, and I think it is possible. Hyro pointed out that capitalism will kick in with beneficial solutions wherever they are really workable so that they make money. And "solutions" that don't work would only destroy us all.
Why can't building new sources of energy be profitable and improve the economy? We could start building solar panels in coal country, as one example.
Yes that should be possible, as Hyro is also suggesting. But solar panels and wind turbines threaten the environment too. As I mentioned in my post to Hyro above, the green solutions are not necessarily as beneficial as we'd like to think.
THE DANGERS TO THE BIRD POPULATION FROM "RENEWABLE ENERGY" SOLUTIONS, NOT TO MENTION HOUSE CATS AND PLATE GLASS WINDOWS.
For instance, one concern mentioned on this thread is the decrease in the bird population, apparently in great numbers. There may be lots of reasons for this but I gather that insecticides and loss of habitat may be major reasons. (So if we planted huge numbers of birdfriendly trees would that take care of the habitat problem? I don't know, I'm asking, but surely it would help, besides providing a source of oxygen to offset the carbon dioxide emissions.)__ In any case I'm sure we do need to become more aware of the habitat problem in all our construction projects, as well as the insecticide problem. Speaking of capitalistic methods there whould be plenty of jobs possible in both these areas of practical concern.
One of the big problems that came to mind when I became aware of the loss of the bird population was how the very solutions in renewable energy may be contributing enormously to their decrease. Do we ever hear how both the wind turbines and the solar panels kill birds by the probably millions? The usual explanations that focus on insecticides and loss of habitat may be very important but I don't think anyone knows how important in the broad spectrum of causes. Meanwhile the NEW forms of energy generation take a direct hitl on the bird population which is hardly ever mentioned that I know of. There are acres of wind turbines and solar panels in remote areas where birds are killed all the time. The intense heat rising from the solar panels roasts them mid-flight, the turbines kill them instantly. How are you going to keep this from happening? Is anyone thinking about it?
Apparently there is also a nontrivial threat to the birds in our enormous population of housecats. A hundred years ago that wasn't a big threat but now it's a big enough threat to be mentioned in discussions of reasons for the decrease in the numbers of birds. Is anything being done about this? I'm not even aware of this being mentioned as a problem that cat owners should consider. I have a friend who put a bell on her cat's collar and hangs bird houses high in the trees, and keeps a cat-unfriendly bird feeder near her breakfast nook window where she can watch the birds. {She also keeps a bird book nearby in case an unfamiliar species shows up.) There should probably also be barriers to cats climbing the trees.
My brother says they have a bush out front that is always bursting with birdsong, so many birds that if he waves his arms near the bush dozens suddenly take flight. Well I'm glad to hear there are so many left somewhere of course. But he says there is a neighborhood cat always sitting on the sidewalk watching that bush. What should be done? Put a wire fence around the bush maybe? I don't know. But much as I love cats I hate to think of them being responsible for killing so many birds. I was always rescuing birds and other creatures from my own cats when I had them. Now I'm seeing this may be a much bigger problem than we've known.
Even the problem that birds get killed flying into plate glass windows got mentioned in a discussion of the causes of this problem, so even that is apparently a big enough factor to take into account, and ways of removing the problem have been discussed. Since everybody with such a window is familiar with this problem the math suggests it too is a huge factor.
But I want to see the problem of the wind turbines and solar panels taken more into account because it seems to me that is likely to be a really huge factor.
In other words our conservation problems aren't just limited to the combustion engine or manufacturing enterprises.
So I think we need to be planting trees galore, all of us everywhere, and I know there are some who are doing that. But what can we do about the solar panels and the wind turbines killing birds?
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Faith 
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Message 203 of 762 (863359)
09-25-2019 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Taq
09-24-2019 4:39 PM


We don't need to get hysterical about climate change, it only makes things worse
Trump denies that carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for climate change. If Trump said that he accepts all of the science pointing to humanity's impact on global climate, but wanted to get the policies right, then I would give him some credit. However, he denies the science as do many in the Republican party.
This is the first thing that needs to get fixed. We can't fix a problem if people deny there is a problem. Perhaps you can be a voice inside conservative circles that can start to budge Republicans on this issue.
I'm not sure we need to emphasize the science of climate change in order to do something toward solving whatever problems it may cause. We can get people to put their inventive human minds to ways to deal with catastrophic weather for instance, and rising sea levels (which don't seem to be rising nearly as fast given the loss of ice at the poles as might have been expected). There are places in the world where people live behind sea walls. Nothing is impossible if we put our minds to it. All it takes is the rare individuals who are good at thinking about such things to make a big difference. Put them to work on the problems and pay them well. But ordinary humanity loves to solve problems too, given enough freedom and encouragement in that direction.
And of course I would encourage Christians to pray our hearts out that God would give us such solutions.
I think we can talk about the obviously depressing consequences of the loss of the rain forest without even mentioning climate change. Greenery puts oxygen into the atmosphere, that's a good thing for us oxygen-dependent creatures. Promote the planting of greenery, promote the renewing of the rain forests. The program to replace forests that have been overlogged is great but the average citizen can plant trees too and the average citizen loves to get involved in beneficial projects. Put people to work considering all the problems involved, how tree roots invade pipes and destroy plumbing for instance, how certain kinds of trees are vulnerable to certain kinds of insect destruction (beautiful elm trees in my area for instance) and the insecticides cause their own problems. Hey we're the human race, we can put our minds to these problems, we don't have to succumb to hysterial half-baked solutions, we don't have to give in to pressures from any direction, just put our minds to whatever needs to be thought about.
Educate people about the loss of birds. We all love birds. We love cats too and the view from our bird-killing windows. It's a problem to be solved with the ingenuity and good will of the human race. Promote methods of keeping cats away from birds. Promote bird houses and bird feeders to attract them where we can appreciate them. Plant trees, lots and lots and lots of trees. Not willynilly but based on an educated understanding of what trees work best for what purposes and how to minimize problems they could create in turn.
Make a big fuss about how wind turbines and solar panels kill birds. Yes we must because they do kill them.
We also know we don't like the smell of exhaust fumes and that they aren't healthy for living things. We don't need to carry on about climate change to educate people about how greenery produces oxygen and absorbs smelly carbon fumes.
We don't need to scare poor little Greta Thunberg to death. Just give her and her generation a rational understanding of what we're up against and get them to exercise their God-given ingenious minds on solutions to the various problems. Make it into science projects. Stop scaring people to death about a future we really don't have the means to predict, and tget us focused on obvious practical problems where there are likely to be practical solutions.
We're a problem-solving creature. Those of us who live in the prosperous west under capitalistic economies have the freedom and the natural encouragement to put our minds to whatever problems we are facing. We need people to lead us who know how to promote awareness of all the levels of secondary problems we can encounter in solving problems, we just need to be organized about it and stop blaming people like Trump who is good at what he does and does it with good will. But nobody knows everything and we all need to be open to problems our own abilities may create. But that may not even be necessary. Just get people thinking. Prayer is a good thing too, and it can get more of us thinking if we are focused in the right direction.
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Message 204 of 762 (863360)
09-25-2019 9:33 AM


Methane problem
Hey did you know that termites produce more methane than all our cows? I heard that yesterday.
Something to think about.

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Message 205 of 762 (863369)
09-25-2019 11:41 AM
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09-25-2019 9:33 AM


Re: Methane problem
That is true, but, natural sources like peat, termites, wetlands and ocean account for only 1/3 of global methane production.
Humans are the other 2/3 of methane production, with gas-coal-oil consumption, intensive farming (cow farts, etc) and landfills.
And none of this addresses CO2 problems.
Compared to our farm cows, termites are slightly more farty but that means nothing in the grand scheme of our environmental problems.
Anthropic global warming deniers cannot use termite farts as any argument for natural causes since termite farts are a very small nit in the total methane problem and practically non-existent compared to total human greenhouse emissions.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 206 of 762 (863374)
09-25-2019 12:07 PM
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09-25-2019 11:41 AM


Re: Methane problem
It was just a side note, no need to make it into some kind of gigantic thing. But if you want to contribute to the subject as I have been pursuing it, how about giving us the chemistry of controlling methane so we can think about it. I'm sure there must be such chemistry. I refuse to believe we have to shut down all human enterprise to care for the environment.

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Taq
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Message 207 of 762 (863376)
09-25-2019 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
09-25-2019 8:17 AM


Re: We don't need to get hysterical about climate change, it only makes things worse
Faith writes:
I'm not sure we need to emphasize the science of climate change in order to do something toward solving whatever problems it may cause.
Why would someone act to reduce carbon emissions if they don't think it is causing any problems?
We can get people to put their inventive human minds to ways to deal with catastrophic weather for instance, and rising sea levels (which don't seem to be rising nearly as fast given the loss of ice at the poles as might have been expected).
This is a bit confusing. What is the volume of water that has been added to the ocean, and how much sea level rise would you expect from that volume of water? Also, you need to factor in thermal expansion. Sea level can rise without adding more water to the oceans.
I think we can talk about the obviously depressing consequences of the loss of the rain forest without even mentioning climate change.
Reforestation doesn't reduce carbon emissions.
We don't need to scare poor little Greta Thunberg to death.
We don't need to ignore the truth just because it's scary. Sometimes, the truth is scary. Avoiding the truth doesn't make it go away. What good people do is face the scary truth, overcome their fears, and solve the problem.

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Message 208 of 762 (863377)
09-25-2019 12:13 PM
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09-25-2019 12:07 PM


Re: Methane problem
Faith writes:
I refuse to believe we have to shut down all human enterprise to care for the environment.
That's a bit silly. We could drastically reduce carbon emissions by replacing all fossil fuel power plants with nuclear plants, and switch as much of our transportation as possible to electric. We wouldn't have to shut down all human enterprise. We could research alternatives for powering transport ships as well.

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Message 209 of 762 (863382)
09-25-2019 12:25 PM
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09-25-2019 12:10 PM


Re: We don't need to get hysterical about climate change, it only makes things worse
Reforestation doesn't reduce carbon emissions.
Greenery consumes carbon dioxide and gives off oxygen.

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Message 210 of 762 (863383)
09-25-2019 12:27 PM
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09-25-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Methane problem
If those solutions work and don't create worse problems great. That's all I'm asking.
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