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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Truly the love of money is the root of all evil. We have met the enemy and he is us. Even if Satan was real, the evidence only shows that it is us. Even if Jesus is alive and is God incarnate waiting to commune with our souls, the evidence only shows that it is us. If God never existed, you still show evidence of a caring spirit. I have a friend very similar in philosophical thought to you. (as far as i can tell, anyway) The first carbon offset tax schemes were introduced in the ’60s. They never made it to a vote in either the House or Senate. Why? Because Big Carbon dangled $millions of re-election funds in front of the pol's faces and had the bills killed. He has a FB Page: Globehackers and is articulate, educated, and open minded. His name is Steven. He believes that the world will likely end(in less than 100 years)..and laments the apathy of the people past and present. The future is uncertain, but he would agree with your assessment of big Carbon. Money and greed and Comfort prevailed over a consensus of common altruistic wisdom. This is one of his videos:
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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I just can't deal with the big entities like Big Carbon OR Congress. They're all corrupt these days. I hope others have the motivation and the ability to take them on, but mostly what happens is we all just sit and fume about such stuff and aren't able to do anything about it while the whole country goes under.
Speaking of nave, your idea that the Left could do anything but make all this worse and probably bankrupt the country completely is definitely naive. But I sort of like being called "naive sweetheart." It beats "ignorant idiot" any day. I have to come back to this later. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I didn't say it was. I said reality is reality.
Atheism is not reality. Phat writes:
Since when do you care about evidence? You usually scoff at evidence.
It seems evident and obvious to you, but you do not have all of the evidence. Phat writes:
Does that statement make sense to you if you substitute "Tooth Fairy" for "God"? Once you find God(perhaps in that place you have yet to look) you can safely "throw Him away" if you insist.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
At the moment we're stocking up on Muslims but we could probably squeeze in a few blancos too. (Leave your guns behind.)
Tell ringo to make room for us on his Frozen Wasteland. Faith writes:
It's true, immigrants are profitable in the long term. With an enterprising spirit he and his family and friends could even turn a profit from us.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Does that statement make sense to you if you substitute "Tooth Fairy" for "God"? Not unless they are interchangeable. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The world is not going to end in 100 years or 1000 years. Humans might. He believes that the world will likely end(in less than 100 years)..Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Why would they not be? ringo writes:
Not unless they are interchangeable. Does that statement make sense to you if you substitute "Tooth Fairy" for "God"?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Some things that would help mitigate some of the pain we WILL suffer.
Immediately remove the limit on Social Security Taxes. The Social Security Tax should be withheld on every dollar earned and from both personal income and corporate profits. The money should be segregated and made untouchable except for pensions, health care, disability income and personal non-corporate Climate Change remediation. Immediately move to a single payer health care system. Nationalize marijuana cultivation and synthetic production and make the products freely available through neighborhood medical clinics. Tear down the wall. Set fines on any municipalities that suffer water leaks amounting to more than 2% of average monthly consumption with the penalties doubling in any consecutive months. Reduce pumping from aquifers for agricultural or industrial use by 10% each year under the prior year total. Fine municipalities who do not pass zoning restrictions to require mandating flood tolerant construction. Immediately stop any new construction either in coastal flooding areas or in any areas flooded during the prior half century that is not flood tolerant construction.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: I scoff at the idea that God would or could be known through evidence. My opponents seem to bring it up as the only way to test or confirm reality. Belief is enough for me. Not because I am squeezing my eyes shut really tight and praying that it's true, but because when I pray I feel a peace and a presence that to an onlooker would not necessarily be evident. All that they would see is an old man wishing to hit the jackpot. Since when do you care about evidence? You usually scoff at evidence. Add by Edit: Unless they were my friends or someone I had met and I was shedding tears while praying for them rather than for myself. The jackpot analogy was actually a way I used to ask for a winning ticket...before the impression of God (or my rational mind) inside me told me to cut it out and accept reality. That I needed to throw entitlement away. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Humans might. Same thing in this context. We are discussing how to preserve ourselves rather than just the planet. Unless Faith is willing to give her life up for the birds of the world. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why would they not be? If by that you mean that its irrelevant whose name I say when having personal prayer and communion, I can only say that you and I don't share the same beliefs. I notice that jar had a similar line of thought earlier...let me see if i can find and quote it...
jar writes: it helps me to start my prayer along the lines of Dear God, Creator of all seen and unseen..through whose Son Jesus Christ I am able to commune and relate...(and then I might go on to pray for someone else...the prayers are better when I don't focus on myself.) In that regard, I see jars argument that the content (and the doing) of a prayer is better than simply patronizing the Source. I would argue, however, that by acknowledging the source (Jesus) as real and alive and listening to me, helps me to realize my responsibilities, shortcomings, and mission. Praying to the spaghetti monster, mother earth Gaia princess or Allah most merciful won't work for me. And i would further argue that if my Islamic fiend prays and mentions Allah most merciful, he would do well to recognize the necessity of our mediator. Jesus fits in with all religions if they give Him some room. I can pray to God or Allah or Ganesha or Coyote or Raven or Shiva or Vishnu and it is all the same. If there is any answer it is the content that is relevant and important, not the source.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8562 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Nationalize marijuana cultivation and synthetic production and make the products freely available through neighborhood medical clinics. With online ordering, snack purchase and Uber delivery options.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes:
Once you find God(perhaps in that place you have yet to look) you can safely "throw Him away" if you insist.ringo writes: How about substituting Playboy centerfold for God? Many have "worshipped" them before and yet throw them away casually later. Is God as unknowable as a picture? This is the question to ask yourself. Stile seems to be looking everywhere possible, but maybe he either doesn't care to get too deep with Who he is looking for, (if found) or approaches the issue as a science experiment. Does that statement make sense to you if you substitute "Tooth Fairy" for "God"?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I could mention the story of Thomas again. Jesus did offer evidence. I scoff at the idea that God would or could be known through evidence.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Are we? Isn't saving the other species on the planet a worthy cause? We are discussing how to preserve ourselves rather than just the planet.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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