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JonF
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Message 3317 of 4573 (863384)
09-25-2019 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3316 by JonF
09-25-2019 12:17 PM


Re: It's even more damning than expected

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JonF
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Message 3320 of 4573 (863400)
09-25-2019 3:44 PM
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09-25-2019 3:35 PM


Re: It's even more damning than expected
Yes, it is not a word-for-word transcript. We don't know exactly what was said.

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JonF
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Message 3321 of 4573 (863401)
09-25-2019 3:48 PM


Morons strike again

  
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09-25-2019 6:56 PM



  
JonF
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Message 3329 of 4573 (863494)
09-26-2019 2:58 PM


The whistleblower's complaint
I've read the whistleblower's complaint at BOOM: Declassified Whistleblower Report Implicates Senior Trump Officials In Coverup. Seems to me that Giuliani is screwed too.
And maybe others, like whoever moved the "transcript" from the ready-to-circulate server to the extra-sensitive-classified server.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 3332 of 4573 (863498)
09-26-2019 3:40 PM
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09-26-2019 3:26 PM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
Very convincing except to those who trump logic with dogma.

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JonF
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Message 3333 of 4573 (863499)
09-26-2019 3:42 PM
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09-26-2019 3:27 PM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
Not ironic, a now transparent attempt to cover up blatantly illegal actions.

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Message 3334 of 4573 (863501)
09-26-2019 3:58 PM
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09-26-2019 3:27 PM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
(Actually "The Godfather", there is no "IV")

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JonF
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Message 3337 of 4573 (863515)
09-26-2019 8:40 PM


Could *Fox* bail?
quote:
Fox controls the flow of informationwhat facts are, whether allegations are to be believedto huge swaths of his base. And Republican senators, who will ultimately decide whether the president remains in office, are in turn exquisitely sensitive to the opinions of Trump’s base. But even before the whistle-blower’s revelations, Fox was having something of a Trump identity crisis, and that bulwark has been wavering. In recent weeks, Trump has bashed Fox News on Twitter, taking particular issue lately with its polling, which, like other reputable polls, has shown the president under significant water. Meanwhile, Trump’s biggest booster seems to be having doubts of his own. This morning, Sean Hannity told friends the whistle-blower’s allegations are really bad, a person briefed on Hannity’s conversations told me. (Hannity did not respond to a request for comment). And according to four sources, Fox Corp CEO Lachlan Murdoch is already thinking about how to position the network for a post-Trump future. A person close to Lachlan told me that Fox News has been the highest rated cable network for seventeen years, and the success has never depended on any one administration. (A Fox Corp spokesperson declined to comment.)
Inside Fox News, tensions over Trump are becoming harder to contain as a long-running cold war between the network’s news and opinion sides turns hot. Fox has often taken a nothing-to-see-here approach to Trump scandals, but impeachment is a different animal. It’s management bedlam, a Fox staffer told me. This massive thing happened, and no one knows how to cover it. The schism was evident this week as a feud erupted between afternoon anchor Shepard Smith and prime-time host Tucker Carlson. It started Tuesday when Fox legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano told Smith on-air that Trump committed a crime by pressuring Ukraine’s president to get dirt on Biden. That night, Carlson brought on former Trump lawyer Joe diGenova, who called Napolitano a fool for claiming Trump broke the law. Yesterday, Smith lashed back, calling Carlson repugnant for not defending Napolitano on air. (Trump himself is said to turn off Fox at 3 p.m., when Shep Smith airs.) Seeking to quell the internecine strife before it carried into a third day, Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and president Jay Wallace communicated to Smith this morning to stop attacking Carlson, a person briefed on the conversation said. They said if he does it again, he’s off the air, the source said. (Fox News spokesperson Irena Briganti denied that management had any direct conversation with Smith).
IT’S MANAGEMENT BEDLAM: MADNESS AT FOX NEWS AS TRUMP FACES IMPEACHMENT

  
JonF
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Message 3348 of 4573 (863614)
09-27-2019 9:54 PM


Sure, Russian Interference is OK
BUSTED: Trump told Russia he was not concerned about their election interferencePublished
quote:
"President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the U.S. election because the United States did the same in other countries, an assertion that prompted alarmed White House officials to limit access to the remarks to an unusually small number of people, according to three former officials with knowledge of the matter, The Washington Post reported Friday evening.
The comments, which have not been previously reported, were part of a now-infamous meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, in which Trump revealed highly classified information that exposed a source of intelligence on the Islamic State. He also said during the meeting that firing FBI Director James B. Comey the day before had relieved ‘great pressure’ on him, the newspaper noted.

  
JonF
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Message 3352 of 4573 (863739)
09-29-2019 6:07 PM
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09-29-2019 4:48 PM


Re: More info
I hadn't hear that particular nugget. If true it would ensure impeachment.
But Moscow Mitch will still have his back.

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JonF
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Message 3354 of 4573 (863803)
09-30-2019 4:15 PM


‘Retaliation in plain sight’: Legal experts stunned by Trump admitting he’s trying to uncover whistleblower ID
quote:
President Donald Trump once again ramped up his attacks on a still-unidentified intelligence community whistleblower by telling reporters that he and his allies are trying to find out the person’s identity.

(Those are the whistleblower's lawyers)
We are officially a country without law.

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JonF
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Message 3369 of 4573 (864189)
10-07-2019 4:33 PM


Rolled?
:EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE
quote:
Donald Trump got "rolled" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a National Security Council source with direct knowledge of the discussions told Newsweek.
In a scheduled phone call on Sunday afternoon between President Trump and President Erdogan, Trump said he would withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria. The phone call was scheduled after Turkey announced it was planning to invade Syria, and hours after Erdogan reinforced his army units at the Syrian-Turkish border and issued his strongest threat to launch a military incursion, according to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of anonymity.
The U.S. withdrawal plays into the hands of the Islamic State group, Damascus and Moscow, and the announcement left Trump's own Defense Department "completely stunned," said Pentagon officials. Turkey, like the United States, wants regime change in Syria. Russia and Iran support the Assad regime.
"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting somethingbut we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."
The guy is the exact opposite of what his supporters think he is.

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JonF
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Message 3375 of 4573 (864220)
10-08-2019 9:00 AM
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10-07-2019 4:53 PM


Re: Rolled?
I don't know.

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JonF
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Message 3377 of 4573 (864227)
10-08-2019 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3376 by ICANT
10-08-2019 9:47 AM


Re: Rolled?
OK. I don't see why the number of soldiers withdrawn matters. What matters is abandoning the Kurds by giving Turkey free rein.
Last year Trump said we will not forget the Kurds. But we have to spread the word that the US government owes nothing to groups that fight and die for us.

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