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Message 361 of 762 (863742)
09-29-2019 6:29 PM
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09-29-2019 5:36 PM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
I don't know how that 98% is figured but it would be part of the CO2 that is released from natural sources. My info is that plant decomp is about 30% of the natural sources.
About 87% of the human part of our CO2 is from Big Carbon.
This site might help.
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AZPaul3
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Message 362 of 762 (863743)
09-29-2019 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by Faith
09-29-2019 3:32 PM


Re: Somewhat More Than 30 Seconds
I suspect the science will get shaky.
Science doesn't shake. Only denialists shake...and lie and misrepresent the science.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 363 of 762 (863746)
09-29-2019 8:59 PM
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09-29-2019 5:46 PM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
Faith writes:
We're doing our part already.
But the US is NOT doing its part.

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Message 364 of 762 (863751)
09-30-2019 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Percy
08-21-2018 4:52 PM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
But will technology enable us to adapt to our transformed world? Pardon my pessimism, but given that year after year we can't even control wildfires in the west, and we'll certainly never be able to control hurricanes and tornados and droughts and floods and rising seas, I doubt it.
What about the enlargement of the sun? How do we fix that?
God Bless

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Message 365 of 762 (863755)
09-30-2019 4:31 AM
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09-30-2019 2:45 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
The expansion of the sun won't affect this planet for 500 m to 1 b years. We have more immediate concerns in the next 200 years.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 366 of 762 (863760)
09-30-2019 8:53 AM
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09-29-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
Now I can't find the 98%. This drives me crazy. But I found 90% on the MIT page:
. In fact, the natural decay of organic carbon contributes more than 90 percent of the yearly carbon dioxide released into Earth’s atmosphere and oceans.
It doesn't confine it to a percentage of natural sources.
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Message 367 of 762 (863761)
09-30-2019 8:57 AM
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09-29-2019 6:37 PM


Re: Somewhat More Than 30 Seconds
Science doesn't shake. Only denialists shake...and lie and misrepresent the science.
Not on the level of atomic particles, but on the level of statistics and predictions and even estimated percentages of atmospheric gasses the human factor can be very shaky.

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Message 368 of 762 (863766)
09-30-2019 9:51 AM
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09-29-2019 8:59 PM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
The US has reduced our carbon emissions and our air and water are both cleaner than in other nations. (Just as an aside, I heard the statistic yesterday I think that the plastic refuse that is littering the oceans is 80% from Asian nations, the rest from western nations. In the same report it was said that science is working on ways to dissolve plastic to solve this problem. I wonder what the dissolved chemical remains will be.)
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Message 369 of 762 (863767)
09-30-2019 10:06 AM
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09-30-2019 9:51 AM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
Yet the current Administration is actively working to increase the US pollution.

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Message 370 of 762 (863768)
09-30-2019 10:07 AM
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09-30-2019 10:06 AM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
So when you have the new figures please report them.

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Message 371 of 762 (863769)
09-30-2019 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by AZPaul3
09-29-2019 6:29 PM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
I don't know how that 98% is figured but it would be part of the CO2 that is released from natural sources. My info is that plant decomp is about 30% of the natural sources.
About 87% of the human part of our CO2 is from Big Carbon.
This site might help.
I'm struggling mightily to read anything lately, my eyes are getting that bad. Would it be possible for you to quote the most relevant parts of that site? Thanks.

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jar
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Message 372 of 762 (863773)
09-30-2019 10:46 AM
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09-30-2019 10:07 AM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
I already provided the news stories to you Faith.
And as you certainly should know, what other nations do is absolutely irrelevant; the US can only control what the US does.
What we can do is actually join in through treaties to mitigate the effects of Global Warming and reduce the pollution that the US produces.

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Message 373 of 762 (863774)
09-30-2019 10:57 AM
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09-30-2019 10:46 AM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
On this forum we end up having to repeat things many times because others missed them. Sorry but that's the reality. It drives me crazy too. If your posts aren't on the subject I'm pursuing at the moment while I have a dozien others to deal with, sorry but I may miss them. So if you want me to see something you've already posted, post it again.
No we can't control other nations but if our input into the problem is just a tiny fraction of theirs and the overall effect is just about nil, stop bugging the US about it, you are only asking us to commit suicide.

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jar
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Message 374 of 762 (863776)
09-30-2019 11:04 AM
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09-30-2019 10:57 AM


Re: Leaf decay huge percentage of CO2 in atmosphere
Faith writes:
No we can't control other nations but if our input into the problem is just a tiny fraction of theirs and the overall effect is just about nil, stop bugging the US about it, you are only asking us to commit suicide.
Sorry Faith but that hopefully is yet another of your dictates to ignore.
The US input is still major and certainly intentionally getting worse and so must be curtailed.
AbE: [indent][/quote]Human activities are responsible for almost all of the increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere over the last 150 years.[/quote][/indent]
Direct from the EPA
quote:
Since 1990, gross U.S. greenhouse gas emissions have increased by 1.3 percent. From year to year, emissions can rise and fall due to changes in the economy, the price of fuel, and other factors. In 2017, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions decreased compared to 2016 levels. The decrease in CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion was a result of multiple factors, including a continued shift from coal to natural gas, increased use of renewables in the electric power sector, and milder weather that contributed to less overall electricity use.
Yet the current administration is encouraging the use of coal and to prohibit improvements in fuel economy and exhaust emissions and to sue car manufacturers who agree to those reductions.
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Message 375 of 762 (863777)
09-30-2019 11:10 AM
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09-30-2019 4:31 AM


Re: A Couple Clarifications
Hi Paul
AZPAUL3 writes:
The expansion of the sun won't affect this planet for 500 m to 1 b years. We have more immediate concerns in the next 200 years.
If the sun is getting bigger everyday why will it not effect the earth's temperature for 500 m + years?
Are you saying that the earth is not growing every day and that growth does not effect the temperature of the earth?
The last numbers I can find says the earth will not be able to support life after 1 billion years. That means the temperature has to be rising now. But they will rise faster as time progresses.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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