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Author Topic:   The Power/Reality Of Demons And Supernatural Evil.
ringo
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Message 301 of 307 (863730)
09-29-2019 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by Faith
09-29-2019 4:08 PM


Re: sheesh!
Faith writes:

In other words you can never believe anything anyone ever tells you about something you haven't seen.


No. I'm saying that the evidence is no longer avaialable, so it does not carry the same weight for people today. All we have left is the second-hand, third-hand, etc. watering-down of the actual evidence and no, we certainly can not believe that without corroboration.

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Faith
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Message 302 of 307 (863731)
09-29-2019 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by ringo
09-29-2019 4:18 PM


Re: sheesh!
And I am saying that is ridiculously spurious reasoning.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 303 of 307 (863734)
09-29-2019 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by ringo
09-29-2019 4:18 PM


Re: sheesh!
If you felt that you had a conversion experience...despite lack of evidence apart from the fact that you were under no other undue influences...and if that inner feeling persisted for the next week...then a month...would you by challenging and doubting it be any better off? I let the feeling continue for many years...to the point that I fed it by attending church and was rewarded with confirmation bias through shared experience with others. As for me personally, I'm open-minded enough to question these things but not strong enough to simply throw them away as if God were simply a science experiment in critical thinking. You always claim that the message alone is important. Doing the message must surely make you feel better about yourself by helping others.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 304 of 307 (863782)
09-30-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 302 by Faith
09-29-2019 4:21 PM


Re: sheesh!
Faith writes:

And I am saying that is ridiculously spurious reasoning.


But you haven't pointed out anything ridiculous or spurious about it.

Thomas didn't believe the disciples. He waited for the first-hand evidence that they claimed to have seen. Clearly, he thought that hearsay was less reliable than hard evidence. And Jesus didn't rebuke him for his skepticism; rather He offered the hard evidence.

Why should we have lower standards than Thomas?


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ringo
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Message 305 of 307 (863784)
09-30-2019 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Thugpreacha
09-29-2019 5:07 PM


Re: sheesh!
Phat writes:

If you felt that you had a conversion experience...


What would that feel like?

Phat writes:

...and if that inner feeling persisted for the next week...then a month...would you by challenging and doubting it be any better off?


You're always better off getting to the truth of a matter instead of clinging to a subjective impression.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 306 of 307 (863787)
09-30-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 305 by ringo
09-30-2019 11:42 AM


Re: sheesh!
You don't get it though---I was different. Not simply a bad burrito feeling in the gut. I'm talking 180 degrees different. A totally new awareness. It carried me for...well...forever if you attribute that one event to today. It's a matter of belief. Is Jesus alive in my heart and mind or is it just me and always was and will be me? You don't expect any obligation from God to leave objective evidence unless he planned on blessing everybody with the same gift. Which I don't see as the case.

Scripture clearly says that few will be chosen. If He simply let all of the riff raff in the door, heaven would become a giant orgie!


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith


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ringo
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Message 307 of 307 (863789)
09-30-2019 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Thugpreacha
09-30-2019 11:55 AM


Re: sheesh!
Phat writes:

You don't get it though---I was different.


I asked how you would recognize that difference.

Phat writes:

I'm talking 180 degrees different. A totally new awareness.


So why is that awareness not manifest in your understanding here?

Phat writes:

Is Jesus alive in my heart and mind or is it just me and always was and will be me?


I keep asking, if Jesus was alive in your heart and mind - whatever that means - how would you know? How would you tell the difference between that and Loki being alive in your heart and mind?

Phat writes:

You don't expect any obligation from God to leave objective evidence unless he planned on blessing everybody with the same gift.


Why would the "gift" be given to certain people and not to others? Why would the gift be given mostly to people whose relatives and neighbours had been given the same gift? Why would it be a gift at all and not just standard equipment?

Phat writes:

Scripture clearly says that few will be chosen.


Does it?

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